Daisy Powerline/Winchester 1000's...Made in China???

[124 sporter]

Hey guys, just recently picked up a Daisy 1000ws from AirgunDepot for $85 (less 5% for being a first time purchase from them), and when I got done unpacking it, I looked it over and noticed that it said 'Made in China' on the breech. Now, I was under the impression that these things were re-badged Hatsans made in Turkey for Daisy??? I was looking for an inexpensive field type magnum AG, and I heard that these things were very hard hitters, and w/a little TLC could be made into decent shooters. But now, I'm a little confused as to the real story behind these things??? Any input is welcome...TIA!!

[kp4att]

I had 2 Winchester 1000x those are made at TURKEY and hard hitters.... but Daisy Powerline is an economical rifle make as you see at China, but enjoy it is a good rifle too.

/ GERALD

[124 sporter]

Wow, I thought that I had read somewhere on this forum that they were basically the same gun, so I assumed that they were of course manufactured in the same place...holy frickin' assumed identity!! Might have to return it and get the Winchester... Anyone know what the Daisy chronies vs. the Winchester???

[joe-joe guns]

I have a Daisy 1000x and it says made in Turkey on mine.I believe they've been made in Spain and Turkey looks like now China.

[tjk]

Hey Stan, I wouldn't jump off the 'junk' just yet. (Hey,...is that a double pun or what?!?!?! LOL's.  If it's the same action of the Turkish Hatsan,...you've got a neat little project ahead of you. If new,..cool!!!! I doubt the FPS's would vary much if they're the same design. If they are, FPE's will  become more important than speed with these lead slingers. This coming from a 'hunting' aspect. Can you post a pix of your Chinese PL??? Thanks for the thread!!, tjk

[Mark 611]

mine is a turkey gun shoots 865fps w cpl's its for sale or trade? shoots 1/2 moa at 30yds it has a walnut stock.

[124 sporter]

tjk - 12/10/2009  4:48 PM

Hey Stan, I wouldn't jump off the 'junk' just yet. (Hey,...is that a double pun or what?!?!?! LOL's.  If it's the same action of the Turkish Hatsan,...you've got a neat little project ahead of you. If new,..cool!!!! I doubt the FPS's would vary much if they're the same design. If they are, FPE's will  become more important than speed with these lead slingers. This coming from a 'hunting' aspect. Can you post a pix of your Chinese PL??? Thanks for the thread!!, tjk

Here ya' go...

Mark 611 - 12/10/2009  5:31 PM

mine is a turkey gun shoots 865fps w cpl's its for sale or trade? shoots 1/2 moa at 30yds it has a walnut stock.

Thanx Mark, but I'll either stick w/mine or return it for something else...

[124 sporter]

The pics are a bit deceiving as it kinda' looks like a toy...it's actually fairly hefty and it's the second longest gun in my little stable. The finish on the stock is smooth to the point where it almost looks synthetic, but it is actually some type of wood...not really sure what??? Banzai??? I'll at least clean the barrel and fire it once or twice just to check out the firing behavior, and maybe I'll do some of my informal phone book penetration tests to compare it against some of my other 'heavy hitters'. If it passes those informal tests, maybe I'll even scope it and check on it's accuracy. It did come w/some kind of adj. scope (3 X 7...I think), but it has two piece mts. which would have to be changed out (probably) if the thing has any kind of power at all. Overall, it's not an unattractive gun, who knows...w/a little TLC it may turn out to be the nice little field shooter that I'm looking for. :p I'll post back up in a day or two after a more in depth look...

[ezman604]

I have a Turkish made Powerline 1000S that is a tack driver. Shoots CPHP (7.9gr) @ an average of 965 fps. I wouldn't part with it either. After a home tune, trigger mod and filling the stock, it's a real sweet shooter. I am on the verge of buying the wood model just to get the furniture. Or, to have 2 really nice and economical shooters. I've taken many a tree rat with it too. They are identical and should tune up nicely.

Happy Shooting!!!!

Dave

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[124 sporter]

ezman604 - 12/10/2009  7:18 PM



I have a Turkish made Powerline 1000S that is a tack driver. Shoots CPHP (7.9gr) @ an average of 965 fps. I wouldn't part with it either. After a home tune, trigger mod and filling the stock, it's a real sweet shooter. I am on the verge of buying the wood model just to get the furniture. Or, to have 2 really nice and economical shooters. I've taken many a tree rat with it too. They are identical and should tune up nicely.

Happy Shooting!!!!

Dave

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Wow, that's cookin'!! But, if yours was made in Turkey and this one was made in China, how can they be the same??? Is this one a cheap Chinese clone of a cheap Turkish gun-LOL!

[joek]

It's not the gun on airgun depot's page, was thinking of ordering a Winchester 850 .22 but think I'll proceed with caution.

[ezman604]

Yep & yep.

Yep THAT'S cookin'. I have 4-5 different chrony printouts to show it and verify it. I have to keep looking at them to make sure I calculated right but it puts out 16-16.5 fpe. It's a powerhouse.

Yep, it's a cheap clone of a cheap clone. LOL

I've seen and heard slams of Turkish Hatsan guns for their quality. NOW, gun manufacturers have shifted to Chinese builders. The talk is now how cheap the Chinese clones are. If a little tuning and lube can make agun consistantly put out these numbers and betack driver accurate, I really don't care what anybody thinks or says about my choice in AGs. It's proven itself to me. And I REALLY enjoy shooting it. Yes, mine is a Hatsan gun, but I just bought two Chinese clones. A Walther Force 1000 and a TF89 Contender. (clones of the AR1000 line, but Chinese never the less) The Walther chronied just slightly less than the Powerline and the TF89is in .22 cal and was kicking out between 18-20 fpe with CPHP (14.3gr).

So, I say do some tuning on it. Hone, deburr, polish and moly lube where needed. You can get an E9870 replacement spring from JM or the factory replacement spring from JG. JG isa Daisy/Powerline authorized dealer and carries several parts, including pistons, mainsprings, piston seals and breach seals. Do the trigger mod and a tune job and see what you have. Then you will either have a sweet shooting powerhouse you will love shooting or a candidate to sell me for the furniture. HeeHee

Happy Shooting!!!!

Dave

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[Mark 611]

I got one for sale Dave in walnut has acouple of little places in the stock easy fix, very good rifle. email me if your interested?

[124 sporter]

Ahh, so I am correct in that these were previously produced by Hatsan for Daisy, and now it appears as though production has been shifted to China??? So, would it be safe to assume that the Winchester version is now currently being produced there as well??? I guess if someone wants the Hatsan version they need to verify it first w/the Distributor to make sure that it's the older one. Would it be possible for anyone to take a meassurement or two from their Hatsan version...I'd be curious to know what the approx. compresion chamber length and diameter are??? Haven't measured this one yet, but the compression chamber/main body seems to be very long. Yup, just measured it, almost 15 1/2" long compared to my Gamo 440 at 13 1/2" long. So, it seems that this thing has a pretty substantial spring/piston assembly!

Also, just fired it a few times and it sounds like a .22 so far, I'm assuming there is some degree of diesling going on. Power (according to my highly scientific phone book test) is at least on par w/my other 'magnum' guns.

Note: The breech (loading port) was extremely tight...to the point where I had to slightly chamfer it to even get a pellet to fit into the barrel.

[ezman604]

Not scientific measurements, but from the side, I measure from in front of the breach pivot bolt to the front of the compression chamber plug as 15-1/4". Across the top of the compression tube roughly 1-1/4". Tried to take pictures but with my cell phone, they were too dark to do any good.