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RE: Daisy Powerline/Winchester 1000's...Made in China???
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2009, 01:56:18 PM »
I have one too, and it would out perform my tuned B28 with ease

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Re: Daisy Powerline/Winchester 1000's...Made in China???
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2009, 11:20:14 PM »
Go to the Guru site mentionned above for tuning questions,....that's what helped me the most. To get my rigger set lighter/easier,...I lightly polished all the secondary sear points and added a mix of moly and 30 weight motor oil to them. I don't think polishing the contact of the piston sear was needed,...and too much can be dangerous. Also I added a longer adjustment screw and set it to a single stage trigger. But becareful not to adjust it too much. There is a window (hole) in the trigger group housing that you can look through ( to inspect the two sear points) while adjusting the screw. These contacts are the bottum contact of the piston sear, and the sear contact of the preliminary sear lever.  You need to "dummy cock" the trigger sears with a small flat head screw driver first. Don't cock the rifle to perform this adjustment!!!!!
To see what I modifide on my PL1K, just do a search on the GTA's search button and look up Daisy PowerLine, and enter tjk in the author area. Then click the area to the past year. It should come up. While the parts mod was somewhat crude,...the results were terrific!!!! I'd suspect those woth a wooden stocked rifle would be even better. I may have to cal Bro' Timmy and get a custom lefty milled out! tjk
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Re: Daisy Powerline/Winchester 1000's...Made in China???
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2009, 11:23:37 PM »
Oh I forgot,...I did the usual cleaning, deburring and lube work as well. I also  removed the 'fat' washer from the original rear guide because the replacement guide was flanged and this kept my spacing fairly close to the original spects! tjk
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REVIEW ADDED + TRIGGER GROUP PIC
« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2009, 11:45:02 AM »
Alright, just wanted to update the thread after I finally had a chance to put this thing through it's paces. This isn't a full review or anything, but I just wanted to kinda' touch on some highlights, or lowlights, as the case may be w/the gun right out of the box. The gun is very solid (i.e. heavy) and I'm guessing it weighs in the neighborhood of 8-9lbs. unscoped. (The 6.6lbs. listed in the specs. must be for the synthetic stock version 'cuz this sucker is heavy!) Overall, the stock and checkering are decent although it has a strange finish that almost has a plastic-like appearance to it...but not unpleasant once you get used to it. The blueing is just fair...being lighter and not as even as some of my other AG's. The open sights are adequate, but I almost immediately installed the 3X7 scope that it came with, and yanked the open sights off-as I prefer that look.  :emoticon:

Now, the cocking & loading process... The barrel opens w/a sharp snap of your palm (lock up is tight and to be expected on a new springer), and it requires a fair amount of force to fully cock it which again is to be expected of a gun of this size and reported power. The cocking cycle also gets a bit gritty towards the bottom of the stroke. As previously mentioned I was absolutely unable to even load a pellet before I chamfered the breech slightly-this was a bit concerning although I believe that I even had to do this on my BSA Lightning.

Trigger and firing next... The single stage trigger I believe is spec'd as having a 9lb. pull, and it's every bit of that w/alot of travel before the pellet is finally on it's way. (This is one area where I feel that there is definitely room for improvement, and it makes it impossible to really consider this thing for any type of serious paper punching/hunting until something is done in this area.) When the gun finally fires there isn't hardly any 'twang' (surprisingly) or twist to it at all...it just gives a you a fair jolt rearward, and the report is about avg. for a gun of this power. Now, as far as the power, I don't actually have a chrony but I can tell you that it stacks right up there w/my other magnum springers. I believe I mentioned earlier that I fired it into the same phone book w/a couple of my other magnums and it penetrated about half way through a pretty good size phone book. I did also fire it at some targets in my basement at a range of about 10yds., and despite the crummy trigger, was still able to pretty much shoot ragged one-hole groups...so the potential is there!:)

So, that's my story, and I'm stickin' to it! I'll let you all decide for yourselves how this Chinese version stacks up against the Hatsan version...and other springers. Keep in mind that I did only pay about $80 for it, and I believe (as w/most AG) that w/a little luv it could probably be made into a nice little (I mean big) field hunting rig which was my primary reason for buying it.

Cheers!!   :emoticon:
Current springers:FWB 124(.177),Gammo 440(.177),RWS 94(.177),BSA Lightning XL(.177),Daisy 1000ws(.177),Gamo 1250 custom(.20),Theoben Eliminator(.20),???

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Re: Daisy Powerline/Winchester 1000's...Made in China???
« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2009, 01:33:46 PM »
do you have a photo of the trigger group? wondering what version of the hatsan trigger they copied
fwiw joe

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Re: Daisy Powerline/Winchester 1000's...Made in China???
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2009, 01:38:53 PM »
Joe, no, I haven't even bothered taking the gun apart yet...sorry!
Current springers:FWB 124(.177),Gammo 440(.177),RWS 94(.177),BSA Lightning XL(.177),Daisy 1000ws(.177),Gamo 1250 custom(.20),Theoben Eliminator(.20),???

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Re: Daisy Powerline/Winchester 1000's...Made in China???
« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2009, 03:34:55 AM »
I added a review (sort of) and a pic of the trigger group...see a couple posts above
Current springers:FWB 124(.177),Gammo 440(.177),RWS 94(.177),BSA Lightning XL(.177),Daisy 1000ws(.177),Gamo 1250 custom(.20),Theoben Eliminator(.20),???

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Re: Daisy Powerline/Winchester 1000's...Made in China???
« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2009, 04:20:27 AM »


Trigger group is totally different and now has an anti-beartrap feature, comparing the photos.



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Re: Daisy Powerline/Winchester 1000's...Made in China???
« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2009, 07:51:28 AM »
Is that good or bad??? I did replace that heavy duty spring on the trigger w/a lighter spring and it drastically reduced the pull wt., but there is still some funk at the very end of the pull. Quick question, what does the allen head screw directly behind (to the right in the pic) do...if anything??? Looks to be a slot in the trigger guard to get to it but it's too small to get an allen wrench in there when everything is assembled.
Current springers:FWB 124(.177),Gammo 440(.177),RWS 94(.177),BSA Lightning XL(.177),Daisy 1000ws(.177),Gamo 1250 custom(.20),Theoben Eliminator(.20),???

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Re: Daisy Powerline/Winchester 1000's...Made in China???
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2009, 07:56:59 AM »
Well, I say an anti-beartrap is a good safety feature. As for the allen, I'd have to see the trigger assembly in person to be sure but it looks like it would adjust slop in the first stage of the trigger pull.
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Re: Daisy Powerline/Winchester 1000's...Made in China???
« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2009, 08:43:19 AM »
If thats a copy of a Hatsan trigger it must be an old one. are there any adjustment screws on the blade?
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Re: Daisy Powerline/Winchester 1000's...Made in China???
« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2009, 09:26:02 AM »
Totally redesigned trigger....
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Re: Daisy Powerline/Winchester 1000's...Made in China???
« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2009, 10:37:20 AM »
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joek - 12/15/2009  1:43 PM

If thats a copy of a Hatsan trigger it must be an old one. are there any adjustment screws on the blade?


Hey Joe, there is no mention of any adj. in the manual, see my post 2 above this one. There does appear to be some sort of allen-head adj. screw directly behind the trigger, but it's not really accessible w/o first removing the stock. It's almost like there's a slot in the trigger guard for a very small screwdriver/allen wrench, but in actuallity it's too small to get anything up in there...weird?!?! I did attempt to crank the screw out, but it didn't really seem to do anything, and when I went to reinstall the stock the action wouldn't sit flush in the stock w/that screw cranked out-IDK???
Current springers:FWB 124(.177),Gammo 440(.177),RWS 94(.177),BSA Lightning XL(.177),Daisy 1000ws(.177),Gamo 1250 custom(.20),Theoben Eliminator(.20),???

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Re: Daisy Powerline/Winchester 1000's...Made in China???
« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2009, 08:39:03 AM »
If anyone is interested in the Winchester1000x Hatsan Turkey guns with the adjustment screw, I am posting one for sale over in the classifieds........I have no need for the gun any longer now that I have aquired a B-40
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Re: Daisy Powerline/Winchester 1000's...Made in China???
« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2010, 04:29:00 PM »
I just took these pictures of a brand new PowerLine 1000WS trigger group (Made in China).  Major difference from the previous trigger groups.