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Offline Bhawanna

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CO2 is now classified as a pollutant....
« on: December 11, 2009, 12:03:34 PM »
the obama admin strikes again......here's the link..  http://celebrifi.com/gossip/EPA-Declares-CO2-a-Pollutant-1230047.html  now, what is going to happen to all the CO2 guns we have?
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Re: CO2 is now classified as a pollutant....
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2009, 12:14:27 PM »
It amazes me how far the stupidity of government has invaded our lives,  calling  it ' For the common good'. Amimals, plants and even Politiians give off co2.

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Re: CO2 is now classified as a pollutant....
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2009, 12:55:53 PM »
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=15862&posts=21&highlight=co2%20supreme%20court&highlightmode=1#M133653

We were already augered as of last April.  The latest is just a reminder to the Congress that if they don't pass Crap & Tax that the EPA will just do it without Congressional approval.  This was a done deal almost a year ago.

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Re: CO2 is now classified as a pollutant....
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2009, 05:51:33 PM »
We all MUST cease drinking carbonated beverages! Imagine how much CO2 gets released everytime a can of pop is opened! Ahhhh! The fear-mongering continues.....
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Re: CO2 is now classified as a pollutant....
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2009, 03:34:32 PM »
Time for firefighters to give up their CO2 fire extinguishers in exchange for rainbow powered fire extinguishers. While they're at it, they must give up their fire trucks for fire wagons drawn by a team of unicorns.
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Re: CO2 is now classified as a pollutant....
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2009, 07:05:50 PM »
Sorry......BUT
thats the sort of scaremungering thats going to be the death of this planet....
Obarma desurves a pat on the back for making  a effort...Thats  more than
any of your past pres have.......


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Re: CO2 is now classified as a pollutant....
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2009, 01:47:25 AM »
Sorry kiwi -- man-made global warming is a complete hoax based on scientific fraud.  Solar activity primarily controls the Earth's temperature.  Water vapor is by far the dominant greenhouse gas, Not CO2.  Manmade CO2 production is a minimal source of atmospheric CO2.  The dire predictions of global warming come from flawed mathematical models using corrupt data.  Yes, I'd like to give BO a pat on the back . . .

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Re: CO2 is now classified as a pollutant....
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2009, 04:18:16 AM »
So this is, altogether, a politcal thread?

A moderator needs to move it.  As far as I know, the EPA ruling has nothing to do with compression and liquification of atmospheric CO2, and thus will have no impact on CO2 guns.  If anyone has evidence that the ruling will impact conversion of atmospheric CO2, let's hear it.  Otherwise, put this thread in the P&R forum where it belongs.

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Re: CO2 is now classified as a pollutant....
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2009, 04:24:49 AM »
Moved per your request.  

Sad that science has been subverted by politics.  Sad that the "White Swan Hypothesis" is taken as irrefutable fact by radical man-made global environmentalists and greedy politicians.

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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2009, 09:25:58 AM »
This action by the BO administration in nothing more than a move to take this out of any "public discussion", - and totally remove it from the democratic process!!! - IE - the Congress voting on it. ... This administration knows the majority of the public doesn't want this bs, - any more than government run health care. The ONLY way they can pull this stunt off, - is to remove public input. - This is the most dangerous administration in the entire history of our country!!!

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Re: CO2 is now classified as a pollutant....
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2009, 10:04:52 AM »
Worse . . .

The Supreme Court of the USA has now upheld the position that CO2 is an environmental pollutant.  Congress is irrelevant.  The EPA can now strong arm private industry at will.

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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2009, 10:19:05 AM »
The Congress can legally change laws, - and "come back" at the Supreme Court, but rarely does. - Regardless, this administration is one TRULY scary group, beyond words. - They're now in the process of changing the law/regulation on "waterways".  The way it's written now, the Feds on have control of "navigable waterways" - self explanatory, large enough for use by ships/boats/barges etc. - Without any discussion or input, their new "regulatory czar" is attempting to remove the word "navigable"!!!! ... Meaning the Feds will have control of just about every tiny river/stream & pond in America. This will usurp an "state rights/laws" in use now. - These folks want a European socialist state, it's there dream/goal, - and they have to do it without public input - cause it would NEVER fly on its' own.... Hope you're not too fond of your bird bath, - because it will be regulated at some point.

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Re: CO2 is now classified as a pollutant....
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2009, 11:02:25 AM »
Next on Obama's list is compressed air..:) Springers should be safe for another few years....
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Re: CO2 is now classified as a pollutant....
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2009, 01:09:48 PM »
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TCups - 12/14/2009  1:47 AM

Sorry kiwi -- man-made global warming is a complete hoax based on scientific fraud.  Solar activity primarily controls the Earth's temperature.  Water vapor is by far the dominant greenhouse gas, Not CO2.  Manmade CO2 production is a minimal source of atmospheric CO2.  The dire predictions of global warming come from flawed mathematical models using corrupt data.  Yes, I'd like to give BO a pat on the back . . .


I hope your veiws are a minority in the way americans see it....I realy do...

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Re: CO2 is now classified as a pollutant....
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2009, 04:41:12 PM »
kiwi:

My views are based on a lifetime of higher education including a BS degree in Chemistry, a Doctorate in Medicine, and a strong interest in the sciences of geology and astronomy.  It is unfortunate when politics dominates science and governments with a political agenda fund the vast majority of research grants.    The notion that the UN and a bunch of politicians can "Save the Earth" from the imminent threat of global warming is laughable -- as laughable as Algore.

Here is one hypothesis -- global warming is occurring because of man-made CO2.

Here is another hypothesis -- all swans are white.  Go count thousands of white swans to support the hypothesis -- you may not see a black swan.  But the hypothesis is false, because there are black swans, no matter how overwhelming the evidence to the contrary.

Anthrogenic climate change proponents can build as many computer models as they  wish and try to predict the long-term global temperature trends.  Nonsense.  They can't even predict next week's weather.  If global warming is occurring, as it has many times in the earth's past, then it will surely be followed by global cooling, as it has many times in the past.  The "science" supporting the hypothesis of man-made global warming is deeply flawed, it is driven by political dollars, and is strictly for the purpose of transferring money and power for political gain, not for saving the Earth.  And when politicians fly their private jets off to Copenhagen and proclaim that there can be no debate and that man-made global warming is a scientific fact, you should be alarmed.

Environmentalism,  like charity, begins at home.  Conserve, recycle, and practice moderation in all things, yes!  But cede all personal freedom (even the breath you breathe!) and any nation's sovereign power, and submit to confiscatory taxation by the UN to save the planet while India and China are laughing all the while?  I think not.  To bad so many do-good'ers buy the save our planet "bull", spun by man-made global warming opportunists, and blindly accept their self-serving lie that all those who question their "science" and their motives are only out to rape the environment and destroy the Earth.  The hypothesis of man-made global warming is just that - a hypothesis based on a political agenda and government-funded "research" -- not solid science.  It is certainly not proven, it is, in fact, very unlikely, and as a scientific hypothesis, it is almost certainly wrong.