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Offline ledtone

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thoughts on remignton or daisy
« on: December 27, 2009, 11:49:45 AM »
IM going to visit my kids in oregon this week.Im excited, i dont know rules on transporting airguns so i will probably leave  them home.I saw a daisy powerline 1000 for under $80 dollars and a remington vantage for $99.Which is better?They are both cheap enough to buy when im gone.I just want to know if they can be enjoyable shooters?Any comments will be appreciated.Also ive torn guns down before but ive never tuned one.Are the lubes nessasary to smoothe out the shooting available at hardware or gun shops?
My babies, Paul Watts tuned Beeman R1 22 cal,Rob Hawkins tuned R1 177cal San Rafael,Rob Hawkins tuned R11,David Slade tuned theoben crow mag 20 cal,  benji pump  177 ca     Rob Hawkins tuned Beeman hw 77 177  RWS 54 177 cal Benjamin trai xl 22 cal,UK.Webley Tomahawk 22 cal deluxe.

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RE: thoughts on remignton or daisy
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2009, 12:08:54 PM »
I had a Turkish Daisy and it was a bit harsh and the trigger was heavy. Might I suggest the Ruger Air Hawk? Mine was much better and very easy to work on. Spare parts are abundant(accepts 34 parts). As for moly you can get a tube from a Honda Cycle shop:
Moly 60 Paste
Part Number 08734-0001
You can substitute spring tar with a fifth wheel/open gear lube.

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Re: thoughts on remignton or daisy
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2009, 12:14:42 PM »
I have a vantage and I am waiting for it to come back from a tune that Gene was doing for me. It is really like the Quest 1000. I don't know about the Daisy Powerline 1000. The Vantage seemed to me to be a potent and reasonably accurate gun before the tune, but no question to me it needed a tune to calm down -- it was light and had a lot of recoil. I am hoping the recoil is significantly reduced...and from Gene's testing the power is actually up... I expect to know more in a little over a week when I have it in my hands! I think it is a great under $100 buy.
THE GUNS:
     â€¢ Cometa Fusion Star (Gene tuned) 12/10/09
     â€¢ Cometa Fenix RWS 94 2/8/10
     â€¢ RWS Diana 48 .177 1/8/10 [TRADE for RWS 350]
     â€¢ Walther Force 1000 .177 11/11/09
     â€¢ TF89 .22 10/26/09 (Gene tuned 1/6/10)
     â€¢ TF89 .177 (Gene tuned) 9/6/09
     â€¢ Remington Vantage 1200 .177 8/22/09 (Gene tuned 1/6/10)
     â€¢ Daisy 953 (pneumatic) 8/02/08
     â€¢ Gamo Big Cat 2/5/10 (broken...free...maybe gas piston?!)

THE SCOPES:  
     â€¢ Sightron SII 4-16x42 AO  
     â€¢ Leupold VX-II 3-9x33 Ultralight EFR AO
     â€¢ Bushnell Trophy 6-18x42 AO  
     â€¢ Swift 686 High Recoil 6.5-20x44 AO  
     â€¢ Hawke Air Max 4-12x40 AO  
     â€¢ Bushnell Banner 6-18x50 AO

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Re: thoughts on remignton or daisy
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2009, 01:26:10 PM »
are the internals on the summit the same as the vantage?If so why is it so much more money?
My babies, Paul Watts tuned Beeman R1 22 cal,Rob Hawkins tuned R1 177cal San Rafael,Rob Hawkins tuned R11,David Slade tuned theoben crow mag 20 cal,  benji pump  177 ca     Rob Hawkins tuned Beeman hw 77 177  RWS 54 177 cal Benjamin trai xl 22 cal,UK.Webley Tomahawk 22 cal deluxe.

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Different rifle
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2009, 04:56:46 PM »
If the rifle will be used for plinking, which I think it would be, then I think you want a LOW powered spring or SSP rifle.  Low power spring rifles are also MUCH easier to shoot than the high velocity rifles, less vibration and less sensitive to variations in  hold.  Because, if your kids can't hit what they are aiming at, the high powered rifles are WORTHLESS, as they will get frustrated and not want to shoot.  This is why I recommend a LOW power rifle as the first rifle for a kid.

My 3 low power plinkers are the Daisy 953, the Gamo Delta and the IZH-60/61.  

The Gamo DELTA has a so-so trigger.  But is easy to cock and shoot.  I think the Delta has been replaced by the Recon, but it is still listed for sale at various sites.

The Daisy 953 is my favorite.  As an SSP, there is NO shooting vibration, which makes it a lot easier to shoot accurately.  BUT you have to deburr the trigger, the stock trigger has a very gritty pull, and you will be fighting the trigger, which is BAD for accurate shooting.

The IZH-60/61 "looks cool" and for kids, looks can be important.  IZH is the most expensive of the 3, but it has the BEST trigger.  The IZH-60 is a single shot, the IZH-61 is a repeater (you cock the spring and the rifle self loads).  It is also the lightest, and because of that when you shoot, it vibrates the most.  The IZH is the hardest of the 3 to mount a red-dot or scope on.

Whatever you get, I recommend that you get an inexpensive red-dot sight, it is much easier to aim with than the stock open sights.  I have an inexpensive TASCO red-dot on all my plinkers and training rifles.  I think it costs about $35 at Midway.
The red-dot has ZERO magnification, so you compensate with larger targets.  Like shoot at cookies and animal crackers rather than asprin tablets.
The only negative about a red-dot is...you have to turn it OFF when you are done shooting.  Or expect to replace the battery often, so get at least one spare battery.

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Re: thoughts on remignton or daisy
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2009, 12:22:14 AM »
Sorry, musta misses the idea that it would be 'for kids'. I have to agree with lower power recommendations...depending on how old a 'kid' is. The Daisy 953 is certainly a nice plinker. 10 yards it can shoot house-flies. It is pretty easy to cock which can be helpful. I like the auto-load, and recommend buying some extra clips. Don't know the Delta...did consider the IZH 61 when I was buying the 953, but didn't get it because of the looks...I was worried that it was gimmicky... but I have NO substantiation to that effect.
THE GUNS:
     â€¢ Cometa Fusion Star (Gene tuned) 12/10/09
     â€¢ Cometa Fenix RWS 94 2/8/10
     â€¢ RWS Diana 48 .177 1/8/10 [TRADE for RWS 350]
     â€¢ Walther Force 1000 .177 11/11/09
     â€¢ TF89 .22 10/26/09 (Gene tuned 1/6/10)
     â€¢ TF89 .177 (Gene tuned) 9/6/09
     â€¢ Remington Vantage 1200 .177 8/22/09 (Gene tuned 1/6/10)
     â€¢ Daisy 953 (pneumatic) 8/02/08
     â€¢ Gamo Big Cat 2/5/10 (broken...free...maybe gas piston?!)

THE SCOPES:  
     â€¢ Sightron SII 4-16x42 AO  
     â€¢ Leupold VX-II 3-9x33 Ultralight EFR AO
     â€¢ Bushnell Trophy 6-18x42 AO  
     â€¢ Swift 686 High Recoil 6.5-20x44 AO  
     â€¢ Hawke Air Max 4-12x40 AO  
     â€¢ Bushnell Banner 6-18x50 AO

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Re: thoughts on remignton or daisy
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2009, 02:03:08 AM »


Powerline 1000 is a powerhouse. It is a hard hitting, powerful but very accurate hunter. It most definately needs tuning to calm it down to be a pleasurable shooter. Synthetic stock needs filling with Good Stuff expanding foam or strips of memory foam stuffing. The newer versions are Chinese made and have a different trigger group than the Turkish Hatsan versions. I'm not as familiar with those trigger groups yet, haven't gotten my hands on one. But, the Powerline 1000 guns have very heavy triggers, no matter what version they are. They all benefit from spring modifications, polishing all contact surfaces and proper lube. With a little work, these guns make NICE shooters. I really enjoy mine and have taken MANY tree rats with mine up to 50 yards out. I like mine so well I just bought a Winchester version in wood.



I can't vouch for the Remington, haven't had an opportunity to play with one yet.



Happy Shooting!!!!



Dave



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don't fly
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2009, 04:40:32 AM »
Don't fly with an air gun.
Totally not worth the effort/hassell of dealing with security and the airline.
This is a thread on TargetTalk
http://targettalk.org/viewtopic.php?t=24013

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RE: thoughts on remignton or daisy
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2009, 06:06:15 AM »
I would buy when you get there, hassle free is more fun:) I notice you said kids, not sure on ages but my experience has been medium and high power airguns are no fun at all for kids so they  lose interest quickly. I have had major success with Gamo delta with a grt111 trigger, daisy powerline 901  and of course the daisy/ advanti 953 type if targets are the go, is a good choice IMO:) Maybe you can order one and have it delivered to there address? Tony.

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Re: thoughts on remignton or daisy
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2009, 02:22:06 PM »
Thanks alot you guys are great.My boys range Rj 20,Nickis17,and Jake is 8 and my daughter is 19 but little Jake is the one im thinking about ive already got the older two into guns and hunting thanks again eveyone.
My babies, Paul Watts tuned Beeman R1 22 cal,Rob Hawkins tuned R1 177cal San Rafael,Rob Hawkins tuned R11,David Slade tuned theoben crow mag 20 cal,  benji pump  177 ca     Rob Hawkins tuned Beeman hw 77 177  RWS 54 177 cal Benjamin trai xl 22 cal,UK.Webley Tomahawk 22 cal deluxe.

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age 8, definitely LOW power
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2009, 04:14:32 PM »
For age 8, I would definitely recommend a LOW power rifle.  

In addition, the LoP is important.  Nothing like a really badly fitting rifle to make shooting difficult.  I've seen pix of kids with the comb of the stock under their arms because the LoP was WAY too long for them.  If a rifle like that recoils, it could put the scope into the kids face.  The Daisy 953, Gamo Delta, and IZH60/61 all have LoP about 12".  The IZH has an adjustable stock so it can be fine tuned to any LoP from 12" to is max setting.

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RE: age 8, definitely LOW power
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2009, 05:00:29 PM »
For age 8, a Daisy Mod 25 - buy two and have fun.  Tin can accuracy at 10-15 yards is all they need to have fun.  and that is what it is all about.  When they see the need for a more accurate/powerful airgun is when you need to buy one more specific to their needs

Larry