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Offline kiwi

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QB79..HPA ?
« on: February 19, 2010, 08:58:18 AM »
Thinking of getting a QB79 to convert to air....

What is the max pressure that can be put
though one....?

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RE: QB79..HPA ?
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2010, 09:34:11 AM »
Don't think there is a definitive answer.

The tube is made to hold co2 pressures, which can easily go to 1100PSI in  middle 90F weather.  Some people run them a good deal hotter than that and don't report any problems.  

I've converted 5 (4 QB's and one Crosman) but prefer to keep the HPA bottle's output in the 900-800PSI area.  ONE I ran at 1200 PSI but have changed that one to 1000 psi.

While not "proof" of anything, the ones I've converted , all running at 1000PSi to 800PSI, haven't had a bit of trouble in the last couple of years.
Robert

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RE: QB79..HPA ?
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2010, 03:43:16 PM »
What sort of velocities are you getting on 1000psi regulated air?  What pellet?
Hammerli 850 HPA .22 & Leapers 3-9x32  --  TF-89 .22 & Leapers 4x32
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235 pigeons
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25 other birds
56 ground squirrels
3 tree squirrels

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RE: QB79..HPA ?
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2010, 06:20:18 PM »
The rifle that's running on 1000PSI is a .25 QB conversion.  When it was running it on 1200PSI, had stopped at 30.6gr.Kodiak pellets at 685fps (for a little less than 32 foot pounds).  With the switch to 1000PSI air, retuned the gun to get the same performance. Long barrel, so increasing dwell time a bit seemed to bring it back to where it was with higher pressure air.  Am sure it uses a little more air per shot than it did when running on 1200PSi, but the total shot count works out to be about the same as there is 200PSI more pressure in the bottle that is useable (best to not run the bottle pressure below regulator pressure).

Form experiments, believe 40foot pounds in .25 was possible with 1200PSI air, but rather than et power-hungry, stopped at a more sedate power.


Much published picture of the HPA QB family (hadn't converted to 1000PSi air on that .25 at this time).  Only one started out life as a QB79, but th other HPA convesions have a 79 gas block added, so are basically the same critter with a longer fore end:


Robert

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RE: QB79..HPA ?
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2010, 10:32:02 AM »
Thanks....
Think I mite pick me one up...
theres a few cheap new poping
up over here...

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RE: QB79..HPA ?
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2010, 03:04:27 PM »
I dont know the max pressure but just picked one up, screwed in a Ninja tank and get 80 shots off 1950psi (in the bottle) at the factory 850psi set up producing 12fpe. More mods coming as time permits.

 John

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RE: QB79..HPA ?
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2010, 05:01:24 PM »
Have to mention the potential problems.

#1. Running too high a pressure.  The way a QB is built, there is a great big steel ring inside the tube that the valve butts up against.  This steel ring takes the stock bolt from below and the breech screw from above...two pretty beefy screws...so it's not going to move. Looks like the weakest spot in the system is how close to the end of the tube the screws that hold the gas block are.  Stick to co2 type output pressures.

#2. The standard valve stem will last for awhile but will sooner or later fail (which is true of co2 as well).  May as well replace it with a Delrin one and even better if you modify it to do away with the useless 12gr. piercing stem.

#3. Air is "thinner", which is why 850PSi of air gives more speed than 850PSI of Co2, but that thin quaility also promotes leaking.  Co2 tends to swell 0-rings a bit, air does not.  Isn't uncommon to have to have to figure out how to cure leaks.

Not all air tubes are exactly the same internal diameter, and on my 4 QB conversions, two tubes just refused to seal at the gas block.  Both turned out to be a little (like .003-.004") larger.  Haven't found an easy cure for that; I just cut a 3rd. O-ring seat, a bit shallower, between the factory two, which works with the same sized o-rings but fits tight enough to seal.  (You'd need a lathe and a 4-jaw chuck...and realize the gas passage is close to the outside edge of the gas block.)

#4. Over tightening the two screws that hold the gas block in place can CAUSE a leak.  It's a tube...if you squish it from the sides, it will grow bigger at the top and bottom.  As an added headache, if you over tighten those screws, they tend to rasie burrs on the inside of the gas tube, which are sure to slice the o-rings when you assemble or take it apart. The only thing those screws do is to keep you from shooting the gas block off the gun, so just snug them firmly.
Robert