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Offline longislandhunter

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RE: 2nd Admendment does not apply to states, ...
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2010, 12:03:01 PM »
I find it very disturbing when I hear such things....  Lets just hope sound reasoning wins the day.  

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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2010, 12:16:33 PM »
Folks that ignore politics are making one truly HUGE mistake.

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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2010, 12:30:24 PM »
Perhaps, then, Federal tax dollars do not apply to the state of Massachusetts?  :D I know this ought to be on the R&P section but it really isn't about guns, etc. The Constitution of the United States applies to each and every state. For the MSSC to rule that one of the amendments in the Bill of Rights does not apply to those citizens who just happen to reside in their state is so incredible as to border on farce. This one is sure to be overturned by the US Supreme Court. And the court appears to be on the verge of ruling on the definition of Second Amendment's language relating to the right to bear arms in favor of the individual's rights interpretation, too. So those Blue Bloods up there can pak that cahr in their Havahd Yahd!  :D  :D  :D

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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2010, 12:36:45 PM »
This type of thing demands EVERYONE'S attention, - the First Amendment is also under question/assault. These type of folks ARE NOT going away, and have to be engaged EVERY time they try something like this - or our Constitution is meaningless.

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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2010, 04:08:28 PM »
In part the 2nd Amendment was included in the Bill of Rights to be an answer for tyrannical legislators,un-rightous judges, and elected officials who might try to usurp the " Rights" of the citizens. Of course it was. The founders knew what European style dictators and tyrants could and would do if the citizenry did not have the means to physically resist and yes even overthrow with force by any means necessary their own government .The concept of self defense includes  defending against tyranny  even when it's within our own borders. It's part of the checks and balances system. The powers that gov't  has flows From the people. The citizens of Massachusetts should unite a strong political force to insist that all of their Constitutionally protected rights be restored.  Exhaust every legal means to reverse this lunacy then .... well what was it that Patrick Henry said ?, "Give me Liberty or give me death". Ol' Pat was fighting mad and helped convince enough of his countrymen that we the People,should be fighting mad too.Wake up America! Is this what all of our servicemen who ever served our country and paid the ultimate price for "our Liberties" fought and died for? A Massachusetts that could let this happen?  I hope there are still some Patriots in Massachsetts.And Washington,DC.

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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2010, 04:08:43 AM »
We had a topic here last year sometime where they had a few terrorist camps that were from upstate new york on down to the carolinas.They had training camps on properties that they had bought from realitors or who knows from who but they had weapons and assult rifles and news reporters were threatned never to come back,wasnt that the right time to bear arms especially when this country could of been under attack by any of these training camps at any given time .I know that many of us served this country and our families as well .With these things at hand wouldnt it be better for these amendments to be active in our states so we the people could and would protect and serve our country like our forefathers have,or is it that they r waiting for some disaster to take place ,which if it does many lifes will be at stake .We have many good people in this country that will fight to keep us from being taken over by some terrorist and by seeing whats on the news and the things we r reading they r closer than what we think.the government should allow people with clean records and responsible people excersize the 2nd amendment before its late .I would like to see our children and grandchildren make it in this world but the way things r headed it seems almost impossible.God Bless Us All ...Jorge ..

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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2010, 03:01:56 PM »


This is probably a meaningless decision. The U.S. Supreme Court has taken a case out of Chicago to here on that issue.



Check it out: McDonald v. Chicago.



http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=5162



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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2010, 03:29:28 AM »
i wish i could say what i really want to say but i will only buried myself alive.One thing for sure i am a true american who have served this country in many ways and my family also and we fought out of this country to make sure ourfamily, politians and president would be safe and many of us died and i still get nightmares of things that took place in my life while serving this country and i dont regret it cause i did it for my countries future and this is the thanks we get by disarming us against not our own so much but because of the existance of terrorist that roam our backyards .we need the second amendment to be active cause many ,many ,many wars were fought and this is the respect we give there existing families that exist .i might not be very educated or even have a degree ,i have a high school diploma and thats it but i will give and spare my life so that others could live and thats a promise i will always uphold .I am sorry if im not computer savy or an editor like many here but i respect how u r and thats all that matters and if i had to fight all over again i would not hesitate ....God Bless Us All from the bottom of my heart ...jorge lopez .

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RE: 2nd Admendment does not apply to states, ...
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2010, 05:25:46 AM »


The main intent of the amendment was to permit citizens to own or possess firearms. Please be aware that, at the time it was written, the standard operating procedure in most nations was to raise armies only in time of war. It was not until after the Napoleonic wars that large standing armies came into existence. As such, and in a fledgling nation, it was imperative that the citizenry have weapons which could be called up at a moment's notice. In a modern sense, this requirement no longer exists. (As romantic as it may seem, hauling out Old Reliable to fend off professional forcesdoesn't have a happy ending. Think armed deer with air support.) Still, the right to bear arms remains if only to give visible confirmation of the individual's right to oppose a tyrannical government. And it can be argued that the amendment extends to the protection of self and property. The right to personal property also must be considered.



Bear in mind that a LOT of the Constitution and early amendments stem from how Great Britain treated the colonies through the various Acts precipitating the Revolutionary War. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice - won't be fooled twice, thank you! And the insurance of personal freedoms tops the list. (This even goes back to the Magna Carta,the basis for U.S. civil  law.) Let's face it. The founding fathers weren't dumb. Consider how flexible the Constitution has remained when faced with developments the original framers never initially intended or could even have dreamed of. They built their house to last!


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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2010, 10:50:00 AM »
That Chicago suit could go either way, ... and frankly it won't really change all that much. The Justices are looking for a way to pretty much keep what we have. The "gun control crowd" is going after ammunition if the lose on this case. - Trust me, - these folks aren't going away because of any verdict they don't like. They'll simply become more creative, -  one gun a month/year, HUGE taxes on ammunition, finger printing, picture taken with every purchase. - No end to new laws & regulations, ... stay tuned.

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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2010, 10:55:02 AM »


In my opinion, the Constitution was destroyed when they gave everyone the "right" to vote.



As the Constitution was written, only property owning males could vote ! It was done this way because only property owners had a real stake in this country. When they gave non-property owners the "right" to vote, they had nothing to loose should the country fall.



And as we have seen by the inclusion of the illegal aliens into our voting population, well just look a California !



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