Ray,
For two scopes to be way off the same way is rather high odds. If you can shoot good groups but they are off to one side and can't be adjusted in,it may be the rings, and or, the Weaver rail is off.
Elevation...
Take the scope out of the rings and see if there is an extra layer of tape in the bottom of the front ring. If there is, swap the front ring base with the rear one, then see if the scope can be adjusted to bring the POI down.
If there is no extra layer in the front ring base, add a piece of electrical tape (cloth "friction" tape kind is best) to the rear base to bring the POI down.
Windage..
The Weaver rail may not be truly in line with the bore axis. You may need to put some shim stock under one side of one of the ring's base to shift it sideways and get the windage adjustment back to usable.
Paul.