is it just me or has the shroud of the dark side fallen?

[joeblow]

seems like everyone is moving over to the dark side, what does no one want to actually have to work for there bullseye's anymore? what do you guys think? i can se its appeal for when you HAVE to do some precision holemaking but c'mon guys what's happening? long live the piston!!!

[adrian]

im only speaking for myself  but im finding it kinda hard to put my marauder down and pick up any of my springers.i do still put a few pellets down range here and there but not as many since i got my mrod

[gamo2hammerli]

I like to shoot them both....but with a springer I can stand there and shoot over 120 shots at different targets, and don`t worry about the air level.  Just break the barrel, load, aim and squeeze.  But for 60 to 80 yard targets...that`s where the PCPs come in!!!!!  Even on a rest....my springers (And me) can only hit one target out of maybe 6 shots.

[tunaboat]

It's probably the cost of the Marauder and even more so the cost of the Discovery that made PCP airguns more affordable for many.  More of a working mans game now.

[daveshoot]

I am going through a phase, I guess, but I haven't been picking the Marauder up as much as lately. I don't get time for extended shooting sessions, don't want to visit the carbon fiber deity every time I feel like taking a few shots. There is a springer by every door in the house and I have been plinking with them and the P3 more than the PCP. They also make me a better shooter, when I do choose the sweet Marauder. Heck, I want another one in .25, but it's not the every day gun these days.

[ribbonstone]

There will always be springers and springer shooters, just as there are confirmed MSP shooters, ... but the cost difference between PCP and springer is getting blurred now, which was traditionally a diving point between the two classes of airguns.

I like stick shift manual transmissions... it's getting harder and harder to find (we count count the electronic "paddle shifts" as manuals just like we can't lump recoiless springers along side recoiling springers).  Don't think they really do anything better than an automatic transmission and certainly have their draw backs;  I just prefer them.

Springers seem to be like that...you perfer them.  Don't think they do anything better than PCP's and also have their drawbacks, but if it is what you perfer, then keep on shooting them.

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Side bar on stick shifts:
Majority of inner-city  urban "punk kids" won't steal a stick shift... they don't now how to drive them.

[Remo]

It's just a matter of taste.  Sometimes I grab the C1 springer or the NPSS gas ram or go with a PCP.  Some shooting sessions will include more than one kind of rifle.  More than enough enjoyment from all platforms!!  But for ease and accuracy my $ are on the PCPs.

[Remo]

Always preferred stick shifts myself, too.  That is until I got caught several times on the Cross Bronx Expressway in serious traffic.

[djmyers]

I'm having a blast with my springers! Learning alot about how they work. The pcp seems like they have a higher start up and for my kind of 100 + round shooting sessions pcp would mean I need to stay close to home or drive the 200 yds to the swamp to get all the stuff down there to shoot that much. I will own one eventually because of the power and accuracy. The dark side is calling but will have to call back later.

[joeblow]

I hear you guys the dark side is calling me as well. the force is strong in those ones. just wanted to start a thread to get us talking some more. seems like the gta is a little slow the past couple of weeks or so .must be the cabin fever? I guess if one wants to be a well rounded air gunner we have to be proficient at all the angles ie... springer,PCP,multi-pump,single stroke. they all have there place.

[shadow]

Oh no not true I have one PCP and several CO2's pistola's and the rest are spring driven ladies. I love the challenge of hunting with springers and always will. Ed

[daved]

I just sold off ALL my PCP's, all because of one little old Diana 34.  I've been trying springers since I went Dark Side some 3 or 4 years ago, none of them lasted more than a few weeks, they all just reminded me of why I went to the Dark Side in the first place.  Then I got this 34 in trade, and suddenly, I'm really liking shooting a springer!  Next thing you know, all the PCP's are gone, even my S200, and the 34 has been joined by a Beeman R9, and there's a TX 200 on the way, all in .177.  Also have a CFX, so it's a nice, symmetrical collection, 2 nice break barrels and 2 nice underlevers :-).  At first, I was thinking I'd just gone totally around the bend, but then I realized I was just bored with the PCP's.  Like you said, they're great for precision hole making, but after awhile, the challenge just isn't there.  So I'd have to say that not EVERYONE is going Dark Side, or even staying there :-).  Later.

Dave

[larspawn]

Dave,

I'm with you.  I think I will alway love springers even if they are "old school!"  They just seem so "real".  I enjoy the nuance of each one.  The pellet it likes and the way it likes to be held.  Heck I even like the fact that some days I can't miss and the next I can't hit anything.  PCPs just seem more frustrating to me because after a while I get *_*_*_*_*_*ed if I'm not one holing.  Its like that - the PCP can take the fun and relaxation out of just honest shooting.

In fact I'm really liking my 40+ year old springers and honestly I'm loving my cheap B7 which seriously shoots as accurate with open sights as my HW30s!

Back when I was totally into mountain biking and aluminum frames were coming on strong...we'd say yeah but steel is real.  Well I feel the same with springers and PCPs.  Then again I remember forking out $2,500 for a Titanium road bike and $2,500 for an aluminum downhill bike in the same year!  LOL  But I always went back to my chomoly Bridgestone to "keep it real."  LOL

Springers forever!

Andy Wong aka larspawn

[larspawn]

Dave,

Also, I know how you feel about your 34.  I bought one that was a refurb and had been hacked at by at least two previous owners.  Droop.  Man this was way more than droop!  It could shoot around a corner as someone said.  

I "recalibrated" the barrel  (don't ask what barabarian tools I used) and it was shooting awesome.  Then at a fun shoot Tom Gore from Vortek dropped in one of his PG2 kits and all I can say is it now shoots superduperawesome!  I was reluctant to install the Vortek when Tom first brought them to some of the shoots but then I figured I'd try one out and ordered one from his website.  Well Tom saw I ordered it and said he'd bring it to the upcoming fun shoot.  In literally 10 minutes he had the PG2 in it and buttoned back up.  It is easily my most accurate rifle right now!

Andy

[Progun]

I agree Dave that not all are going DarkSide. I'm sure for a lot of shooting enthusiasts, our air rifles are only one slice of the pie in the types of guns that get shot.Some shooters only shoot air guns and that's fine.Some of us like to shoot 'em all. In my case the attraction to the power and accuracy that the PCP brings to the table is not strong enough to lure me in. I have some very nice springers that shoot very accurately and with adequate power for when I want to take them hunting. The step-up in power many PCP's offer over my springers can be easily satisfied with my rimfire rifles. In other words for me personally my .22 rimfire shooting good select loads, can be relied upon to fill the niche in power and accuracy that a good quality PCP rifle does for some. Shucks I just figgured that if I needed more than 27fpe for anything  that I would shoot with an airgun, then rimfire's got you covered. Like Aaron I say "Long live the springer".