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Offline geiger

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Net neutrality...very important issue
« on: March 30, 2010, 06:16:29 AM »
It was revealed to me that the manipulative troll that is Glen Beck recently assaulted net neutrality. I know a lot of people here are his fans, but that guy is willing to sell his own mother for money. No way in hell i'm gonna trust such a biased commentator.

Point being is that despite what you've heard, net neutrality is the single most important thing for the internet. It's basically for the internet, what the first amendment is to the USA. It allows anybody to gain and publish information without restrictions.
If you we loose this privilege then say good bye to all those small non-corporate websites you like to visit. This forum might very well be one of them and million of other pages who could not compete against media giants. Furthermore it might lead to the ISPs to charge you for accessing different content.
It would be a nightmare for small webmasters.

It is not communist or marxist as Beck likes to put it. If you think net neutrality is socialist, then the first amendment is also socialist and should be given up for sale. I repeat it is not a left or right issue, it's an issue of freedom of accessing information.

So vote for net neutrality if you happen to come across it, because otherwise say goodbye to the free internet.

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Re: Net neutrality...very important issue
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2010, 06:44:00 AM »
Well Geiger, I feel good working with the net. There is no color or race to deal with. So one can speak and be heard without the fear of prejudice. But when you start talking about my brother Glen you are in the wrong arena...:)
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Re: Net neutrality...very important issue
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2010, 07:00:16 AM »
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Gene_SC - 3/30/2010  11:44 AM

Well Geiger, I feel good working with the net. There is no color or race to deal with. So one can speak and be heard without the fear of prejudice. But when you start talking about my brother Glen you are in the wrong arena...:)


This is not an issue about Glen.
However if you take his word without doing any research on your own, then it is a problem.

Personally i don't like Glen because of his bias and his style. Having pictures of Mao/Hitler/Stalin on a blackboard is not what i call serious information. Just some candy entertainment IMO.

But personal issues aside, Net neutrality is a must for the well being of the internet.

Glen pointed out that Obama wants to give everyone broadband. That is NOT what net neutrality is about, net neutrality is about giving everyone the freedom of information. Everything else is just appendages that got manipulated in.
And not that i agree with Obama, but giving everyone broadband (or at least some connection) is the best thing yet. If you recall one of the principles of a free market is the ability to get information.
Taking someones money to give another one the internet might not be the best way to do it, but despite how you  paint it red or blue, black or white...net neutrality is essential for both sides.

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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2010, 07:33:41 AM »
Well Geiger, open your eyes boy..:) If you are a US Citizen and pay taxes you are getting fornicated without being asked first or even getting one  Kiss..:) Look around you Geiger... Wake Up!!!!
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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2010, 07:51:22 AM »
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Gene_SC - 3/30/2010  12:33 PM

Well Geiger, open your eyes boy..:) If you are a US Citizen and pay taxes you are getting fornicated without being asked first or even getting one  Kiss..:) Look around you Geiger... Wake Up!!!!



A wise man said once "Two things are certain, death and taxes".
I don't mind taxes one bit...IF they are spent properly and in the benefit of the whole community.  Sadly that is much too often not the case.



But that is a debate for another time. Point is...vote for net neutrality otherwise we'll be in some serious poop.




P.S. Please do take what commentators say with a grain of salt. Resorting to Ad hominem attacks is not the way to advance an argument.

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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2010, 08:05:31 AM »
I have news for you Geiger... Look on the harizon boy..:) Uncle Sam is close to changing everything we do on the net..:( How long do you think our freedoms will last?
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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2010, 08:59:56 AM »
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Gene_SC - 3/30/2010  1:05 PM

I have news for you Geiger... Look on the harizon boy..:) Uncle Sam is close to changing everything we do on the net..:( How long do you think our freedoms will last?


I'm sorry, what? I'm not sure i understand.

Are you referring to the Obama administration, the upcoming police state, a secret evil organization, internet commercials,...

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Re: Net neutrality...very important issue
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2010, 11:58:20 AM »
When a leftie cries for "neutrality" it's the last thing they want. It's a given that they're getting their a** kicked in the market place when they cry that. Go back to "radio neutrality" - The Fairness Doctrine - a complete load. It's all about "shutting up" the opposition - and NOTHING else. Heck, they tried to go "head to head" with Rush, by opening Radio America. Nice title alright, and all six listeners loved it. - Fox News is leading the pack because that's what folks want, - and NOT for any other reason. H*ll, folks could just as easily watch another channel, there are any number of channels available, - and they don't voluntarily choose to watch the "whining lefties". - Naturally, lefties being lefties, this is unacceptable, - folks should be FORCED to watch them. - In that matter of abortion, - the word "CHOICE" is the rallying cry of the left. However, - "CHOICE" is the last approach they want folks to have in any number of areas.

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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2010, 12:42:38 PM »
A rose by any other name . . .
Ever notice how the attack on our right of freedom of speech always comes shrouded in politically correct "newspeak" terms like "fairness doctrine" and "net neutrality"?  
Horse manure by any other name  . . .

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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2010, 01:07:25 PM »
Ever notice how when people oppose taking our rights away they are called extremists...:) So we are labeled extremust or whatever name they come up with...
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RE: Net neutrality...very important issue
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2010, 12:51:24 AM »


You people don't have a clue what you're talking about, sorry but it's true



"Network neutrality (also net neutrality, Internet neutrality) is a principle proposed for user access networks participating in the Internet that advocates no restrictions on content, sites, or platforms, on the kinds of equipment that may be attached, and on the modes of communication allowed, as well as communication that is not unreasonably degraded by other traffic."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality





"The Fairness Doctrine was a policy of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, that required the holders of broadcast licenses both to present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was (in the Commission's view) honest, equitable and balanced. The 1949 Commission Report served as the foundation for the Fairness Doctrine since it had previously established two more forms of regulation onto broadcasters. These two duties were to provide adequate coverage to public issues and that coverage must be fair in reflecting opposing views."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine





That is a world apart.





Just because some TV guy branded it leftist it doesn't mean it really is. Do some researching on your own and then criticize it.



The first amendment gives everybody the right to free speech, religion,... In your view that's socialist? I guess you should just give it up then. Stop being so gullible. By your standards even Jesus was socialist/marxist...due to him preaching sharing wealth, giving it up,...




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« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2010, 02:08:25 AM »
It's nothing more than another "government program" - that down the road will lead to a blizzard of new regulations.
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Proposals for network neutrality laws are generally opposed by the cable television and telephone industries, and some network engineers and free-market scholars from the conservative  to libertarian, including Christopher Yoo and Adam Thierer. Opponents argue that - (1) Network neutrality regulations severely limit the Internet's usefulness; - (2) network neutrality regulations threaten to set a precedent for even more intrusive regulation of the Internet; - (3) imposing such regulation will chill investment in competitive networks (e.g., wireless broadband) and deny network providers the ability to differentiate their services; and - (4) that network neutrality regulations confuse the unregulated Internet with the highly regulated telecom lines that it has shared with voice and cable customers for most of its history.
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I'd say you should give up, - you come here to intentionally stir things up, and then bellyache after it happens.

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« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2010, 04:21:52 AM »
Thanks for setting us straight, geiger.  If it's on wiki, it must be unbiased and true beyond question.  How could we possibly have been under the misconception it was the imposition of even more government regulations and restrictions?  Let's see, 1949 Fairness Doctrine . . .  Harry Truman, right?  So it must have been a good idea.  But then repealed by Ronald Reagan. . .   Hmmm.  Let me think about that . . . Truman  . . . Reagan . . . Truman . . . Reagan.   And today, it is supported by Barry Obama and opposed by Rush Limbaugh?  Hmmm. . .   Barry . . .  Rush . . . Barry . . . Rush  . .

Sorry, guess I have to go with Ron and Rush over Harry and Barry on this one.  BTW, did I ever mention how glad it makes me that you are a Canadian, geiger?  That works out so well for both of us.

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« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2010, 09:08:33 AM »
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It's nothing more than another "government program" - that down the road will lead to a blizzard of new regulations.
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Proposals for network neutrality laws are generally opposed by the cable television and telephone industries, and some network engineers and free-market scholars from the conservative  to libertarian, including Christopher Yoo and Adam Thierer. Opponents argue that - (1) Network neutrality regulations severely limit the Internet's usefulness; - (2) network neutrality regulations threaten to set a precedent for even more intrusive regulation of the Internet; - (3) imposing such regulation will chill investment in competitive networks (e.g., wireless broadband) and deny network providers the ability to differentiate their services; and - (4) that network neutrality regulations confuse the unregulated Internet with the highly regulated telecom lines that it has shared with voice and cable customers for most of its history.
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I'd say you should give up, - you come here to intentionally stir things up, and then bellyache after it happens.


1. Yes it will limit the internet usefulness because a lot of small pages will have their bandwidth limited and thus loose viewers, eventually shutting down
2. Net neutrality gives every person the right to unrestricted bandwidth, so they can't be filtered out without court order. How is that regulation any different than giving everyone the right to free speech? Or should only people who can afford free speech have it??
3. Competitive networks, yeah, effectively reducing the internet to a small narrow service like TV. If that's what you want, then god help us.
4. This regulation does not demand restricted content, but the exact contrary.

Let me remind you, if the USA wouldn't have regulations (US constitution) then it would be fair game for anybody who wanted to claim it. Face it, regulations are a part of a society and if you want to live in an anarchy go to Liberia or something, take my word for it...you won't like it there.
Net neutrality is the only thing that keeps the internet from becoming the next TV.
It would really be such a shame to loose a vast portion of US websites who could not compete due to low financial income.

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« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2010, 10:42:41 AM »
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