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Offline bigbadwulff

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Terminology
« on: April 05, 2010, 01:57:52 AM »
Maybe we can get a thread here to help out newcomers(like myself) and also provide some helpful tips.
Please do not use "common terms" to air gunners without explaining what it is. Like "Tar the mainspring".

I'll ask the first questions.
What is the "tar" they talk about putting on the main spring of springers(spring-assisted air guns)?

What is "moly"? Where can it be found? (auto parts stores, etc?). If this is molybdenum grease, isn't it a petroleum distillate? The thing some say not to use?



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Re: Terminology
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2010, 02:28:21 AM »
Welcome Bill a good way of learning is by going to the mall and go to accessories or go into our library which is located at the left upper side and there r many terms that u can learn ,nice to have u aboard....jorge lopez..

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Re: Terminology
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2010, 02:35:20 AM »
I did that (a very little). Went to Maccori's(?) site and listed for "tar" was just the word "tar". No pics no nothing.

I am diligent about finding what I need but thought I might help others with thread with info.
Had this new air rifle for only 2 weeks and have already re-crowned the barrel and changed out the breach seal. Breach seal is easy obviously but the other can be a bit nerve racking thinking about it although it was very easy to do.
Still in search of......

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RE: Terminology
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2010, 03:37:10 AM »


Honda part number
Moly 60 Paste
Part Number 08734-0001



Yes, I think there are some distillates, and you exercise care to keep it behind the transfer port.



Check out the "Library" link at the top left of GTA screens for this, and a ton of other, common and useful information.



The "tar" is a proprietary mixture, I believe, that probably also contains some moly but also other elements. It sticks to springs despite the shock and vibration. Maccari is the usual source and he is a private one-man operation, but his stuff is used by just about every major and minor tuner in the business.

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Re: Terminology
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2010, 03:41:02 AM »
I second the forum's LIBRARY. 90% of the information to get my shooters shoot where I aim it is from there and the 9% from asking questions here at GTA then the remaining 1% from GOOGLE.

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Re: Terminology
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2010, 03:52:45 AM »
Thanks. Will check it out.

Is the moly paste just anti-seize?

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RE: Terminology
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2010, 03:59:06 AM »
For other 'newbies". From the LIBRARY:

This article is about the various lubricants and cleaners, both home brew and commercially available, so that you can determine for yourself what you need and where to get them.

 Differences and uses for Maccari Tars

Jim Maccari’s lubes along with springs and seals are available at:
 http://www.airguns.citymax.com/page/page/251327.htm

Heavy tar: For use on spring OD. Lightly cover coils of spring-most coverage is best with the part of the spring that stays in the piston.

Velocity Tar: Same as heavy tar and for use where power is wanted over anything else. It’s also good for pivot spacers and joint friction areas. I use Heavy tar on the spring and sometimes velocity tar  rather than Moly on the OD only of spring guides. Do not use on the guide ID’s.

Clear Tar: triggers, pivot points etc. Best product for the OD. Only of compression tubes on side levers or under levers like the TX, PS, and RWS etc. Being clear it does not create a mess. The only lube you can use on guide ID's- use very, very little.

Gene Sundays Mystery Oil ….

About Genes Sundays Mystery Oil. That’s not his terminology, but mine. The formula is a closely guarded secret, however he probably won’t mind my letting you in on it. Take one tablespoon of Moly grease and mix it thoroughly with two ounces of 30wt non-detergent motor oil. Shake well. Serve as needed. Use sparingly on any metal to metal surfaces. Remember, a little of Moly goes a long way.
 
Charlie’s Chamber Lube……

Mix 1 part NeatsFoot oil to 3 parts 100% Silicone Shock oil. . Example: 1 ounce of NeatsFoot oil and 3 ounces of Silicone Oil. Also, ¼ ounce of Teflon can be added if you have it. That will be enough to last for years if used just as a chamber lube. Used for guns having a leather seal.

Silicone Grease

100% Dielectric Silicone Grease is available at almost any auto parts store. If they don’t know what you’re talking about, tell them it’s the stuff used on spark plug boots. Use it on seals and compression chambers, Co2 tubes and valves..many applications.
100% Silicone Oil

Purchase from any Hobby Center that has Radio Controlled race cars. It comes in many weights just like motor oil but in small quantities. I use 30wt shock oil only. Used in many applications and as a mix for some of the home brews.

Moly Paste

Used as a lube for piston walls, spring guides, pivots, spring ends and many other applications. It is also used in home brews. There are not a lot of known sources for a good Moly lube in small quantities with a 60% ratio (preferably 65%) or higher. Don’t use the cheap low grade stuff from Wally World or part stores. Maccari of course has it and Honda does have one with 60%, although they may have to order it.

Honda part number:
Moly 60 Paste
Part Number 08734-0001

Super-Lube
SuperLube can be a good lubricant. It has a silicone base with PTFE to help fill microscopic imperfections in compression chambers in synthetic seal guns and tubes but must be used sparingly as it will cause detonation. Wipe out all excess. Carried by many parts stores and I think Wal-Mart.

NeatsFoot Oil

Used as a conditioner for leather seal and also as a mix for chamber lubes. NeatsFoot can be hard to find but it is good. If another seal conditioned is used, be sure that it is for real leather and not for synthetics.

RemOil

RemOil is used on the stock and exterior metal as a cleaner/preservative and can be used in the baler for storage but needs to be cleaned out with patches before using the gun. Most sporting goods stores.

GooGone

Used for cleaning the barrel internally. It will brake down most chemicals and deposits and at the same time, will not damage the breech seal and won’t harm most finishes but be careful around some plastics.

GooGone can be found just about anywhere.

Loc-Tite

Not a lube but used to secure the stock screws in the gun making it more solid. Available at most hardware stores and Wal-Mart or other department store. Be sure to get and use only the “Blue” Loc-Tite.

Well my friends, that just about covers most of the basic lubes used. Be sure to keep in mind that usually when lubing an airgun, less is better. Do not over lubricate.

Thank You....
 Charlie
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Web Site: http://charliedatuna.com/

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RE: Terminology
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2010, 04:50:16 AM »
WOW. What a WEALTH OF INFORMATION in there!!

Shoulda gone there before now but LIBRARY means books to me and not, well....library ;)