Guess I was being lazy. I have some 16 gauge left over from a project. I will try some hits on it this weeked. Problem is I don't have any high powered PCPs to try, just an AA 400 that is not even FAC. Best I can do is something along the lines of a Kodiac in 25, RWS 52, or an RWS 460. Have you ever checked the prices of your local steel and pipe suppliers? They tend to be much better the the Lowes/Home Depot stores.