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Offline BEARCAT87

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Need advice on choosing an air rifle
« on: April 10, 2010, 12:18:46 AM »
I have been shooting PCP's (which I enjoy very much) but I would like to get a springer/ram rifle to use for practice and hunting. I would prefer a .20.or .22, and I prefer it to be medium to high power. I have a decent budget of up to $800 for just the rifle. Any advice would be much appreciated. Do fixed-barrel rifles such as the RWS 52/54/460, HW97, TX200, or Prosport have an accuracy advantage when using a scope? Thanks in advance for your help!

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Re: Need advice on choosing an air rifle
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2010, 01:18:35 AM »
If you have that kinda budget get the AA Pro Sport and look no further JMHO! :p

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RE: Need advice on choosing an air rifle
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2010, 02:57:50 AM »
How about the HW90 gas ram? Or the RWS 350 magnum?  Both are good with power and very well built. Nice looking as well.

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RE: Need advice on choosing an air rifle
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2010, 02:59:57 AM »


Do fixed-barrel rifles such as the RWS 52/54/460, HW97, TX200, or Prosport have an accuracy advantage when using a scope?



No, it does not. Ceertainly not if you are buying an $800 rifle.



If you are looking for a good field gun for hunting, find a Beeman R-1 in .20, carbine version preferrably.


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RE: Need advice on choosing an air rifle
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2010, 03:01:45 AM »
If you're new to springers, stay away from the magnum guns.  Learning proper springer technique can be frustrating enough, without the extra recoil and general fussiness of a long stroke magnum.  Regarding accuracy with a scope, stock design has far more impact than whether it's a fixed or break barrel.  As far as accuracy in general is concerned, I've shot a lot of fixed and break barrels, and currently have 2 of each, I've seen no difference in accuracy based on how you cock it.

As far as which rifle, if you've been shooting PCP's, find a springer that has a similar design and feel to what you're used to.  Just an example off the top of my head, if you've been shooting an AA S400 Xtra FAC, something like the Diana 460 will have a similar feel, I believe.  It's worth noting that both the TX 200 and the HW 97 are purpose built for use with a scope, with a stock design that reflects that intended use.  Both are very comfortable stocks, I had a 77 that I put in a 97 stock, and currently have a TX 200 Mk. III.  Both are fairly heavy rifles, if you're intended use is tramping through the brush for a days hunting, they probably wouldn't be the best choice.  The Diana rifles are a compromise design, but the lines are more classic, and work equally well with stocks or open sights.  The Prosport has a wonderful reputation, although I've heard that some people have an issue with the cocking lever.  Not familiar with it myself, so no details.

As to caliber, I feel that the medium powered springers are best in .177.  Good velocity, flat trajectories, and lots of pellet choices.  And I've taken game up to the size of large ground hogs with a 14 fpe .177, at ranges out to around 40 yards.  20 caliber has a huge following, but the pellet choice is extremely limited, as is the choice in rifles.  .22's are best in PCP's, IMO.  In medium springers, the velocity is rather low, and the trajectory gets pretty loopy.  In magnum springers, this gets better, but they can be a real bear to shoot well or consistently.

As to an actual recommendation, with your budget, concentrate on the best.  I currently have a TX 200 and an R9, both get top billing from me.  The TX will most likely be good to go out of the box, the R9 will probably benefit from a tune, they can be buzzy or worse :-).  Your budget has plenty of room for that, in fact, you could probably get both.  I've had 4 Diana's, current one is a 34 which I like very much, enough that I sold off all my PCP's and switched back to springers.  I had a 48 in .20, powerful rifle, but the stock design and the power level made mounting a scope a real bear.  I also didn't like the side lever, it made cocking and loading safely really awkward.  ALWAYS remember to hang on to the barrel or lever when loading springers!  Also had a 350, I REALLY didn't like that one.  Just too much work involved in shooting it well, it took all the fun out of shooting.  Very unforgiving rifles, IMO.

Lots of options in your price range, these are just the ones I've had personal experience with.  Hope it's of some help.  Later.

Dave

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Re: Need advice on choosing an air rifle
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2010, 03:05:12 AM »
Welcome Bearcat87 i have neither airrifle but for that amount u could get a great airrifle.To me accuratecy is the most important ,then the trigger,fps is not as important but if u have at least 700 with a 14.3 pellet then u r good but never take the advice of the store velocity cause they r tested with lower weighted pellets like the raptors that r not good for springers .The benjitrail xl or npin .22 has a velocity of 1100 but its in the 800,s with 14.3 to 18.0 grain and low to mid 900,s with chph and cpl which i find to be excellent. An after market trigger from charlie and u r good to shoot and u spend a whole lot less $ cause it comes with a scope and mounts with a rail to fit your mounts nicely and comes with a strap so u could carry the airrifle for hours at a time and the pellet could remain in the barrel for a long time without any effect .If u read in the crossman benjamin gate u will find many importantinformation on this brand and cal .I hope this was of some good use to u .All i did was give u my 2 cents worth ...God Bless You and Your Family ..jorge

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Re: Need advice on choosing an air rifle
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2010, 03:10:15 AM »
Hi Lou,,, just wanted to welcome you to GTA,,, very nice to have you with us  :)

The others are already giving you some great advice so I'll just say again that is nice to have you with us and I'll be looking forward to your future posts.  BTW...if you hunt please post the stories and hunt pics in the "Hunting Gate' as we just love hunting adventures and pics  :)

BTW.... I agree with Daved,,,, if you're just getting into springers I'd stay away from the magnum rifles and stay with the medium powered rifles, much easier for those new to springers to deal with as far as accuracy.  My suggestion would be to get an R-9 Double Gold in .20 caliber.  Beautiful rifles that are wonderfully crafted and shoot great right from the box.  Would make a great target or hunting rig and lets not forget...... everyone should have at least one R-9 in their collection  :)



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RE: Need advice on choosing an air rifle
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2010, 04:21:52 AM »
I decided to acquire a high end springer and chose the Air Arms ProSport in .177. I read everything that I could find including comments from Gene who is blessed to own many different platforms, and tells it like it is from a wealth of experience. I would not buy any AG from a source that doesn't offer a no fault 30 day return. Regards
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Re: Need advice on choosing an air rifle
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2010, 07:08:11 AM »
I think Daved pretty much summed it up. A lot of good springers out there. You may consider the RX-2/ HW-90 if you can handle the load. A serious sport rifle in design,... but a tank none the less!! Just a thought, tjk
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Re: Need advice on choosing an air rifle
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2010, 08:15:34 AM »
Hmmmm $800.00 eh!  Lots of great springers out there for that kind of ching..:) Glad I do not have to go through that again..:) Buying a bunch of springers before I found the ones I love to shoot.. Hard choice for sure. Dave is spot on with his information. Stay away from the magnums at first. Another really fine springer is the HW-97 .177, .20 .22... Only around $600.00 but shoot as accurate as the TX and PS. I have all three and the HW is my  favorite. But decisions, decisions..:)  

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Re: Need advice on choosing an air rifle
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2010, 11:08:18 AM »
With $800.00 budget, you have plenty of good options.  I will assume that you are not looking for a heavy or loud rifle and suggest the Beeman R-9 in either 0.20 or 0.22.  I have both and love them very much.
Beeman R-9 DG 0.22
Beeman R-9 DG 0.20
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HW 95 in 0.20
HW 50 in 0.177
RWS 48 in 0.22

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Re: Need advice on choosing an air rifle
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2010, 11:32:23 PM »
Thanks for all of the excellent advice and for the warm welcome! It is much appreciated! I have some thinking to do, and I'll let you know what I decide. Any other input?

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Re: Need advice on choosing an air rifle
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2010, 03:17:06 AM »
Probably obvious, but make sure the scope you get is designed to handle the unique pounding a springer can deliver.  Also probably obvious, but it seems to hold true that you get what you pay for when it comes to optics.  Not saying you need a $500 Leupold on your back yard plinker, but I've seen a noticeable difference in overall quality when you get into the $200 and up range of optics.

Do keep us posted, we love to ooh and ahh over new shooters :-).  Later.

Dave

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RE: Need advice on choosing an air rifle
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2010, 05:54:48 AM »


WELCOME to the GTA Forums Lou,



What a great budget to but your first springer !!!!



I have a R-9 in .20 cal. that's accurate all get out ! But I have not had the experience of shooting the others mentioned. David is the man when it come to experience with many fine springer's !!!



So good luck picking your springer :D



And, I hope to see you here often, let us ALL enjoy your decision !



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Re: Need advice on choosing an air rifle
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2010, 06:02:52 PM »
The RWS 350 Magnum in .22 cal. if a fine and accurate rifle.  Out of the box it has noticeably less spring twang than any other spring gun out there.  With a Vortek Pro Guide 2 upgrade, there is no spring twang; just a solid "thump" as the trigger is pulled.  At 40 yards, I was making apples go all 'splodey.  A five shot group into a 2x4, with one single hole, split it in half.  I would highly recommend an RWS 350 Magnum.  

The other rifle I'm hearing really good things about is the Benjamin Sheridan Trail NP XL with a gas ram.  That might be the next gun I purchase.