What is the wildest untamed scope-busting springer?!

[RedFeather]

Get an untuned 54, hands down. Not known as the Scope Killer for nothing! That and a set of solid mounts, no dampeners.

[thebookdoc]

Yeah, I can see how the 54 would be a real damaging test. Now I have to figure out how to get one and pay for food at the same time! I still think I need more than one test, and a gas piston Gamo AND B21 would round out the field...I mean testing on ONE gun proves nothing. testing on 3 known killers....that makes a difference.

[daveshoot]

Walther Falcon Hunter (Hatsan 125). A notorious slammer. You aren't going to find much more energy ina spring gun.

[thebookdoc]

Here's what people have mentioned...

Mentioned several times:
* B21 (the Beast)
* RWS 54 (Air King)
* Walther Falcon Magnum (Hatsan 125)

Mentioned at least once:
* Walther Force 1000 (TF89, AR1000)
* B26
* RWS 45

Rifles no one mentioned (and I'd have expected...):
* B28
* RWS 350
* RWS 48/52
* Benjamin Super Streak
* Stoeger Arms X50
* Nitro/gas ram/air spring

I think I've got a line on an original B21 on the cheap, so that may be my first 'checker' rifle. I'd been looking at the RWS54 for a while, so its a matter of time. The Walther Falcon makes lots of sense... Here I am hoping to buy things to BREAK scopes... Put that way it DOES sound crazy, Red!

I hope the discussion continues just a bit -- either to order these in scope devastation or shake a few more scope beaters out of the closet!

Thanks all for the suggestions!

[Lindros88]

I have the falcon hunter in .22 and it has killed 4 scopes in about 4000 shots.  I also recently got a b28 untuned and it killed a bushnell 3-9-40oe in under 100 shots.  Kick for kick, of these two the recoil isn't even close, the hunter is probably close to twice the kick of the 28 and way harsher to shoot.

[kiwi]

Hatsan mod 125..or a Hatsan made walther...

but for shear vilance the recoil of a SPA B11
is second to none,,,,

[itsnotom]

350,b28,g1 extreme,beeman rs2

[thebookdoc]

I can't seem to find much on the SPA B11 except that it is the equivalent of a Hatsan Mod 55 and Winchester 1000x. Does that seem right?

[atchman2]

I'll sell you a Hammerli Titan CHEAP.  It recoils so bad that I've never been able to get a scope to sit still on it!  It is just sitting in the corner gathering dust.

[thebookdoc]

That Hammerli Titan is an AR1000 variant if I am not mistaken, like the TF89, Walther Force 1000. Some say the Beeman SS1000 (I don't tend to think so...though the stock has similar grip stylings). There are other foreign brands like the Meteor AR1000, and then very similar products with thumbhole stocks that are really AR2000 variants.

All this to say, I think I know the Titan indirectly. I have an untuned Walther Force 1000 and a few tuned TF89s. The Walther Force was going to remain untuned for now as one of the testing rifles.

But just in case, how much is "cheap"?

[ezman604]

Richard, you're right in thinking the Benjamin Super Streak. I can't chime in that it's a scope killer (still using my factory scope) but it's definately a kicker and a contender. I can't stay on target for follow-through after trigger pull, massive recoil. This AFTER tuning. I guess I just got a descent Center Point with it. We appreciate the research and your efforts bud!!!!

Happy Shooting....and testing!!!!

Dave

[rocker1]

how about adding a benjamine xl1500' on my third scope in as many months.

[thebookdoc]

Isn't that really a Super Streak with a nitro piston? What kind of scopes are you breaking?

[rocker1]

centerpoint, i have a xl1100 thats is still using the scope that came with it and so far it is holding up.