Sub-Sonic .22? or air gun?

[atchman2]

Is there any major difference between the FPE of a high powered air gun (like a RWS 350 or Benji Trail) and a .22 sub-sonic?  There doesn't seem to be much difference in FPS.  Just curious.

[DougT]

bullet weight (gr) X velocity (fps) X velocity (fps) X  0.000002218 = FPE


Compare:

Remington Subsonic .22LR, 40 grain bullet at about 950 fps = 80.06 FPE

Nitro XL .22, 14.3 grain pellet at about 900 fps = 25.7 FPE

You be the judge.

[CharlieDaTuna]

Yes, a .22 caliber bullet is going to weigh considerably more than a .22 pellet so there is sure to be quite a difference depending on the bullet used..

[TCups]

Or you can go with CCI CB Long (or short), 29 grain, 790 FPS = 40.2 FPE  You can get a decent bolt action 22LR rifle for $150-$350.  CCI CB Longs are about $8-9 per 100, so call it 8.5¢ per shot.  Compare that to, say, an AA S410 new for around $1200, plus a scuba tank and fill adaptor, another $250, and .22 cal 18.1 JSB Jumbo Heavies at around $10 per 500 shooting at about 30-32 FPE.  The thing to consider carefully about a 22LR, all else aside, is that you are shooting a firearm and different laws apply than for air rifles.  But either a good PCP or a 22LR with the right sub-sonic ammo can be comparably quiet, and equally deadly to small rodents.

[atchman2]

Well there have been a lot of coyote sighting in the suburbs.  I was just pondering what can take them out that is legal.  I'm thinking my 65 lb compound bow might be the best idea.

[crowpopper]

bow will work well
i have cci  cb shorts at 35 fpe
and they are quiet

[Dust]

Bow will be the easiest, because the air rifle and rifle might ruffle some feathers.

[Dust]

Bow will be the easiest, because the air rifle and rifle might ruffle some feathers.

[airiscool]

Not sure how quiet they are, but of all the sub sonic 22RF,  the Aquila 22 LR 60 grain, at 950fps, are about the most powerful at 120fpe.

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=AU1B222112&src=tpSlrCatHm

Paul.

[Magnum]

If you need alittle more weight/punch, these are fairly quite like amuffled crack. Also if not an AG its the only thing wife will allowed to use from the living room window! when there is predator at the chicken house that is:)  I would also check  whats legal where you are!  http://www.natchezss.com/Ammo.cfm?contentID=productDetail&brand=AU&prodID=AU1B222268&prodTitle=Aguila%2022%20LR%2038%20gr%20Sub%20Sonic%20HP%2050/box

[onemountain]

You might have a hard time finding a rifle that won't keyhole Aguila SSS 60 gr at respectable ranges. I don't think the average .22's rifling has the proper rate of twist to handle those heavy ol' things. Nor have any of my friends had success with them. It's a shame too because they look like a great pest control means.

[crowpopper]

my CCI cb shorts at 39 fpe are dead on accurate out to 50 yards
and the CB longs are also dead on accurate out to 50
never tried the Aguila's but i have heard that they do key hole in some riffles

[1377x]

i was using super colibris  i dropped the box in a mud puddle found it a few days later didnt trust them any longer no squibs for me
i took them apart and now im using the 20gr slugs in my airgun they are shooting faster out of my airgun than in the powderburner.they are more devestating on pests than a normal pellet

[only1harry]

Randy,

.22LR subsonic ammo would be a great alternative to an expensive PCP or equally powered (more expensive) airgun.

Again you would have to aim at the head with a .22 rimfire just like with airguns when going after coyote.  I lost a couple of Groundhogs 9-10yrs taking body (chest) shots with my .22LR using high velocity and hyper velocity 36-40gr bullets.  They would just run or limp to their hole with the wound visible as they took off with blood gushing out and leaving a large blood trail on the grass.  After I lost 2 out of the 3 (I finally got one with a heart/lung shot but he almost made it down the hole) with body shots, I realized it had to be a head shot and nothing else.  That is when I started making quick kills and recovering all the woodchucks.   An average 9-10lb chuck is 1/4 to 1/5th the size of a coyote so it would not make sense trying to go for a heart shot on much larger animal if most of the time it is ineffective on a smaller one.  

A subsonic 32-40gr bullet traveling at 850 to 950fps will do the job easily on a coytoe but it still has to be a well placed shot in the head.  A body shot is just too risky, unless you have a centerfire or are good at shooting slugs from a 12ga. but that would defeat the purpsose of doing things "quietly".  Having said/typed all this, spotting and shooting a coyote at night is much easier than done

[atchman2]

I just think a big PCP or a bow/crossbow is the solution to taking coyotes in the burbs.  The big bore air guns are just so expensive and I have a bow