CFX after the trigger squeeze?

[MartinDWhite]

I have been shotting a pair of pump crosmans (1377 pistol and 66 powermaster rifle) and like them. I was able to watch the pellet travel thought the air and watch the impact with both pumpers. I recently bought a CFX and started shotting it. It is VERY different. I am concered that I after the shot is fired from the CFX, the recoil causes me to lose the target, and have to reaquire it to see if we I hit it. Is this normal for a springer. Should the recoil be hard enough to prevent watching the pellet thought the scope and prevent seeing the impact on the target? It is me? (the same question everyone seems to ask for every springer problem...) Would tuning it help (CDT is only 15 minutes away)?

I like the easy of the springer. I like the power. I like the accuracy (3/4 inch at 20 meters). I wish I could see the impact.

    Martin D. White

[longislandhunter]

Hi Martin,

I'm not able to actually see the pellet when shooting my springers but I do see the impact of the pellet on the target in the form of a new hole or fluorescent mark if I'm using one of the "shoot n See" type targets.  

Just a suggestion,,,, try filling the hollow stock with memory foam,,,, should help the rifle deal a bit better with reverberation and recoil.  As for having CDT tune it,,,, you can never go wrong with that option  

Let us know how you make out.

Jeff

[daved]

I'm afraid that's typical for springers, Martin.  And some are MUCH worse than the CFX.  That said, a tune might help.  Properly done, a tune will eliminate spring torque, so all the recoil is essentially in a straigt line.  And yes, Bob definitely knows how to do them properly :-)!  You also need to keep in mind the velocity difference between your CFX and your old pumpers.  Don't know about the 66, but the 1377 in stock form is maxed at about 600 fps.  Depending on pellet, the CFX is 800 to 900 fps.  So that probably has something to do with it.  Shooting my Talon SS with a .22 barrel, I'm shooting high 700's to low 800's right now, and I'm not seeing the pellets.  That could just be my eyes and slow brain :-), but I think there's a point where they just don't register, unless you're actually looking for them.  I'll pay attention the next time I shoot the Talon.  Since he's only 15 minutes away (you lucky dog!), I'd have Bob tune it.  You won't be sorry!  Good luck!

Dave

Just saw Jeff's response.  He's not the only one that likes the foam, it's an excellent suggestion.  If you want more weight, you can use Duct Seal, I put a pound or so in the butt of my CFX's.  It's available at any electrical supply source.

[MartinDWhite]

Memory foam? Do you mean the stuff like in my wife's pillow? She might not be happy if I cut her pillow into pieces to modify my rifle.....
I read one person filled thier CFX stock with "great stuff" foam. I was concered that the expansion of "great stuff" spray foam would swell the stock.
Are the royal stocks (all wood) any better?


     Martin D. White

[longislandhunter]

Yes, memory foam like in the pillows.  Can usually be purchased at those home decorating stores that sell drapes, pillows, stuff like that.  I filled all my hollow synthetic stocks and it did make a big difference without adding to much weight for me.  At the very least it should drastically cut down on vibration in the stock intensified by that big hollow space.  Cheap fix with good results.  

Jeff

longislandhunter - 7/13/2007  10:19 AM

... I filled all my hollow synthetic stocks and it did make a big difference without adding to much weight for me...  

Jeff

Not to hijack this thread too much, but could you tell me how you got the recoil pad off of your Daisy 1000 "armbuster" ;~) which also has the synthetic stock? The CFX pad can be unscrewed from the stock, but the Daisy pad appears to be glued (?) on and I wanna find a way, hopefully non-destructively, of stuffing memory foam in there to quiet it down. I'm tired of every shot sounding like I've hit the side of the buttstock with a mallet- it upsets my delicate sensibilities LOL. I'm gonna visit the local fabric store tomorrow to see if they sell scraps of the memory foam.

I'd much appreciate any tips you or anyone could come up with, Jeff.

Bryan

[longislandhunter]

Hi Bryan,

I'll have to qualify my statement about filling my synthetic stocks,,, I forgot about my Daisy 1000,,,,it's the only one that's not filled  

I never did figure out how to get the butt pad off easily or without destroying something in the process.  

Sorry bout that Bryan.

Jeff

If you do a search on Google or Yahoo on memory foam you can find a lot of place that will send you free samples of it. I got enough samples online to make a small pillow for camping out of it.

[vinceb]

...shooting springer air rifles is good practice for a cartridge gun. Certainly harder to shoot properly than a compressed-gas gun of any sort.

No worries, Jeff. I did get to the foam and fabric store after hitting the flea market this morning, and at first the lady there said there probably weren't any scraps around, but after looking again she came up with a 3"x3"x24" piece for $0.50 that ought take care of either the Daisy or the CFX.

One way or another I'll figure out how to take that recoil pad off and get some foam into it and I'll let you know when that happens.

Hope you're enjoying your vacation!!!

Bryan

[leftcoast1]

The stuff you see them use to fill holes where conduit or wire runs through a wall. Like I said it is messy but its dense light weight and you can get it into every void in the stock. I wrap the entire stock in newspaper or plastic shoot the foam into the stock. Let it stand butt up till it expands and dries then shave off whats not needed peel the paper off and you are good to go.

[r1derbike]

The springers need to be handled loosely, and not "held" firmly.  It took me a long time to retrain my shooting habits with my two new springers.  Don't grip it at all. Leave your palm open, supporting it just in front of the trigger guard.  The trigger must be pulled straight-back, with a loose hold on the hand grip.  I use the tip of my index finger to pull, not the fatty pad between the tip and first joint.  The rifle MUST be allowed to move around during firing, as the recoil is both rearward and frontward.  This is counter-intuitive to everything I have used in the past, with real firearms, and was not an easy thing to force myself to do.

All my pneumatic rifles I may see the pellet strike.  The new Gamos, I cannot, as they have to move around during firing.  I usually know if the target has been hit, with a sighting scope, or by the actions (or lack thereof) of the varmint I've targeted.

Charles