Author Topic: Buying an airgun-Need Advice  (Read 12563 times)

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RE: Buy an R-9 and be happy
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2006, 08:58:30 AM »
COPFIREARMS:

Yeah, and R-9 isn't cheap, but it isn't cheaply made, either.  This is a rare case of getting more than you pay for.  What you get is an accurate, well-made rifle of heirloom quality that, if properly cared for, can be passed down to your prodgeny.  With an R-9, there is no "coulda woulda shoulda."

I live in California, where air rifles may be used by licensed hunters to take all resident small game animals, including upland game birds like quail, chukar, and turkey, during applicable open seasons.

I've been shooting adult air guns since '81 and I've hunted with them for 25 years.  When I say "hunted," I am talking about wild animals in wilderness conditions, and not suburban squirrels in my backyard.  

With air rifles, placement and penetration mean a whole lot more than power does.  The R-9 is one of the most accurate break-barrel spring-piston air rifles made, and it is easy to shoot accurately, due to the excellent trigger.  I have little trouble keeping five shots within a 1" circle at 50 yards with my R-9's.  That is why I use them.

I have two.  One in .177 which is tuned to 15 ft/lb, which I use for "long range" shooting of rabbits , quail, and chukar when I know that most shots will be presented at 40 to 50 yards. I use the .20 for general hunting use.  I prefer the .20 caliber, but I am in to making meat and not making mounts.  The .20 does definitely punch a bigger diameter hole than .177 does.  In that regard, it's kind of exponential, in that the pellet isn't that much bigger around than the .177 is, but the hole the .20 makes is noticeably larger.  My .20 is running at the advertised 14 ft/lb.

Both of these rifles will thwack a target 50 yards out with about 9 ft/lbs of energy.  The .177 will do that with Crosman Copperheads and Crosman Premier 7.9's.  The .20 does it with Beeman FTS.

That energy level on impact is enough to cleanly kill all of the game I shoot, INCLUDING turkey.

When air rifles became legal for taking turkey here in California, I hunted them with my .20 R-1.  Although the .20 R-1 puts out nearly 18 ft/lb of power at the muzzle, the nature of air rifle exterior ballistics is such that this big 4 ft/lb power advantage at the muzzle doesn't always automatically extend to the 50 yard line.  At fifty yards, the difference in energy delivered by the .20 R-1 and .20 R-9 isn't enough for a turkey to get excited about.  The difference in carry weight and handling dynamics, however, is enough for me to get exited about.

When my .20 R-1 was stolen out of the back of my Jeep, I replaced it with an R-9 in .20 and I am delighted that I did.  I had no problem taking a turkey with it during the spring season, shooting a 14 pound bird with it at about 45 yards on the last day of the season up on Palomar Mountain.

With my .177 R-9, I've taken jackrabbits up to 9 pounds at ranges out to 50 yards and slightly beyond.  With brain-pan shots, the little .177 thumps them dead like a lightening blow from Thor.  I can't see that squirrels would be much of a problem.  In fact, I started hunting squirrels with a .177 Webley Omega running at 11.8 ft/lbs with great success.

Can you see that I am not convinced that a powerhouse RWS 350 is the way forward for hunting use?

I am a huge fan of the R-9, and think that the price is fair for what you get.

You get a rifle that will provide a lifetime of use.  You get a rifle that enjoys aftermarket support and one in which the importer will still sell parts to the public, so you can do service and maintenence yourself, if you choose to.

Gamo won't sell you key parts you might need for maintenence.  It seems that RWS/Umarex is now following their lead.

I've shot RWS guns, and their nice, but they aren't R-Series Beemans.

For more unabashed R-9 enthusiasm, check out my website.

-JP
http://www.uplandhunter.net


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RE: Buy an R-9 and be happy
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2006, 09:12:03 AM »
that sounds like a pretty good endorsement.

I'm currently shooting an RWS 52 in .22 flavor and love it. I wanted a little more oomph for the resident ground hogs here, wanted a fixed barrel and liked the side-cocking design and the overall look of the 52.

 It's really a fun plinking gun too which surprised me a little.

My next rifle will almost surely be an R9, just can't justify the expense right now =D

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RE: Buy an R-9 and be happy
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2006, 09:17:44 AM »
Those 52's are indeed pretty sweet shooters.  I prefer the barrel cockers for rapid reloading, which wouldn't matter except that I hunt quail, and in some areas they'll be 40 birds or more in a covey, and the shooting can be a little fast and furious.  My fat fingers need that open breech area.

I'm not much of a gun collector, and if I lived in an area where quail weren't on the bag list, and had a 52, my air rifle buying might probably be pretty much over.

You definitely can't fault them for accuracy!

-JP

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RE: Buy an R-9 and be happy
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2006, 09:17:58 AM »
Wow, JP
You wrote an long message :)
Thank You , you have given me alot to think about now...
Like regular Firearms, you get what you pay for, so If I have to spent $200+, no big deal..
I'll do comparisons
I'll check out your website later on tonight

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RE: Buy an R-9 and be happy
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2006, 09:19:50 AM »
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COPFIREARMS - 7/19/2006  2:17 PM

Wow, JP
You wrote an long message :)



Yeah, I make part of my living as a writer (shooting and fly fishing, mainly) so I tend to get a bit carried away. :)

Blessings and Tight Groups,
-JP

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RE: Buy an R-9 and be happy
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2006, 09:36:05 AM »
just as an aside, you do write very well.

I enjoyed looking through your site.

I consider myself a bit of an English-language snob and found myself smiling at your syntax.

Well done.

And I am really happy with the 52. Worst thing about it is probably the weight, but I see your point on pursuing other rifles.

I still have a lot to learn with this one and I'm new to shooting in general. Just learning to hold still for accuracy has been my biggest challenge.

Anyway, keep up the good writing.


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JP, your site is full of great articles and I ......
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2006, 10:05:40 AM »
thank you for sharing it with us. Also the fantastic post you have given all of us was very objective with personal exprience.

I love your writing style also... :) Hope you continue adding to your site for it is great reading.

Sincerely
Gene
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RE: Buying an airgun-Need Advice
« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2006, 12:48:20 PM »
OK... this might sound like heresy... but here goes.

Gamo Shadow 1000 at Walmart for $125, Daisy Powerline 3-9x32 scope for about $30, and Accushot 4 screw scope mounts from scragglepoint.com for $9.75 shipped.

I know there are nicer rifles out there with smoother triggers and better stocks - but when all is said and done, is anything else really going to be significantly more powerful or accurate?


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RE: Buying an airgun-Need Advice
« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2006, 01:37:51 PM »
every one talks about the R9 , what about the B26.  that you can get in 22 cal, and with a BSA or 40 or 44 AO airgun scope, it dead on maybe out to 50 yards, with the right shooter.  out of the box, it shoots 700fps, its rated ar 820, but realisticly  how many guns shoot what they are listed at.
http://bestairgun.stores.yahoo.net/bamxsairri1.html
$ 139.. shipped, get your scope  mount from scragglepoint for 7 and maybe get a leapers scope  there as well for around 60.  
the B26 is a clone of the R9, not as pretty a stock, but for 200 less, you can afford a tune and still have just as good a gun as the R9 and in 22 cal.
The RWS may be accurate, but at 30-35 yards, ya gotta be a good shot, cause at 8 lbs without a scope, closer to 10 with , its one heavy gun.  
the B26 is one of the better Chinese guns around , other than the QB78.

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Re: Buying an airgun-Need Advice
« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2006, 04:52:45 PM »
Well I was shooting my Shadow Hunter today and at 50 yards I have a 4" paper Target tacked to a tree. I went out to change it a carried along some wild bird feed.  Later on I picked off 7 english sparrows out of 10 I shot at. English sparrows are NOT a very big bird so you better have a good shooter to do this.

A .177 Shadow Hunter is a real nice shooter, and it's priced right.



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RE: Well, I'm not sure I'd call it objective.....
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2006, 09:58:12 PM »
Gene:

First off, let me say how delighted I am to have been invited to participate on this board.  As more folks discover it, I believe they'll find a comfortable home here.  I look forward to learning and growing in this great hobby along with everyone else.

Thanks, too, for your kind words regarding uplandhunter.net.  The concept is that I wanted an on-line air rifle hunting magazine that wouldn't cost anyone anything to enjoy.  I hope to increase the content a bit as time and finances permit. I would be delighted to add a link from my site to yours, if that's okay with you.  I don't expect recipriocation, given that my site is commercial in the sense that there is a "store" section which, after long delays due to civic bureaucracy and anti-shooting folks at city hall standing in the way of business licenses, may open soon.  I already have a couple of "day jobs," so the intent of the "store" section is really like a "pledge drive" of sorts to generate enough money to keep the site self-supporting, allowing me to pay for the domain and web space, as well as pay other contributors for their work, so it is more like a magazine and less like "The World According to JP."

As to my post, I'm not sure that I would call it objective.  I've got biases like everyone else, and my gun cabinet screams "gun snob" with the CZ 550's, CZ 452, Parker Hale side-by-side 20 gauge, and Remington 332 0/U that I shoot sporting clays with sharing space with my R-9's, as well as the Benji 397 I use for terminal ballistics testing, the wife's Shadow, her Remington 870, her 10/22, her custom .303 Enfield, a smattering of pistols, and my son's Daisy 880.

I tend to be biased toward blued steel, nice wood, and "old world" craftsmanship.

And I tend to think that the R-9 is best air rifle Beeman has ever marketed.  In fact, I think it is one of the best air rifles ever made for what I use such a thing for.

So I am hardly objective.

I am, however, objective enough to say that I did own a Shadow, hunted it hard, and found much to like about it.  My wife liked mine so much that she demanded one of her own.

In the end, I gave mine to my brother in law, as I just couldn't warm up to the aesthetics of it.

Aside from the trigger, which I hope Mr. Werner will still offer a fix for, the Shadow does seem to be a lot of gun for the money, and left little to complain about.

If I were really objective, I'd have mentioned that in my first response to this thread, I reckon.

Perhaps, in the spirit of objectivity, I'll start a new "Me and My Shadow" thread......

Thanks again for the kind words, and I am delighted that you've provided this forum for us.  I look forward to learning a lot from it, and contributing when I can.

Blessings and Tight Groups,
-JP

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Re: Buying an airgun-Need Advice
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2006, 09:47:02 AM »
Aww, the heck with buying an airgun !!!
Peter, if your airgun is that good, I'll just steal yours, lol
Shawn

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RE: Well, I'm not sure I'd call it objective.....
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2006, 09:49:55 AM »
JPShelton,

First of all, I would Like to say a big THANK YOU, for writing such a long post.
Very informative & descriptive.
Your posts help alot, and not that I'm trying to suck up to anyone, but it definetely helps the forums here.
Shawn

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Re: Definitely consider the Shadow.
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2006, 11:18:36 AM »
There isn't a game animal that I hunt that would notice the difference between getting killed with my wife's Shadow or my .177 R-9.

-JP

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Re: Definitely consider the Shadow.
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2006, 03:41:09 PM »
Ok, I bought my first airgun.
It's 11:39 PM so it's a little late to take pictures..
The wife will shoot me with a regular gun if i wake her up,lol
I'll post make,model & pictures in the morning..