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Me and my Shadow (long)
« on: July 21, 2006, 07:45:07 AM »
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Several years ago, I bought a Gamo Shadow on the off-chance that it might not really be the POS product that some on the Internet had made it out to be.  It's no secret to those of us who visit forums like this that Gamo gets a bad rap among certain segments of serious airgun enthusiasts.  Some of the posts I'd read on boards like this would lead one to believe that a Shadow would only put out half its advertised velocity, would be so rude on firing that it would rattle a shooter's teeth loose, and be so woefully inacurrate that hitting the mark would have more to do with happenstance and chance than any skill on the part of the shooter.

If Gamo rifles were really that bad, though, how could Gamo have gone from a blip in the marketplace to virtually dominating it in terms of sales?  If the products they sold weren't at least servicable on some minimally acceptable level, it would seem that they wouldn't sell, regardless of cost or availability.

My curiosity was roused by all of the negative posting on Gamo products that I had seen on the 'Net.  A visit to Wal-Mart kind of poured fuel into that fire, when I read some of the specs of the Shadow that were printed on the box.  After years of humping nearly 10 pounds of scoped .20 R-1 across the desert, the 6 1/2 pound Shadow seemed like a breath of fresh air.  With visions of scrambling up steep slopes to the high rimrock where chukar live dancing in my head, the question "what if?" kept coming to the fore.

What if this lightweight Gamo rifle really wasn't as bad as some would have one believe?

Wal-Mart's generous return policy took the financial risk out of finding out.  If I really hated it, I could exchange the thing for a refund and move on.

When I got the rifle home, I scubbed the bore with a mixture of Simple Green and rubbing alcohol.  I seperated the action from the stock, degreased the stock attachment screws, and re-assembled with blue Lock-Tite thread locking adhesive.  I mounted a 4-12 Simmons Pro-Air A.O. scope to the rifle in 2 pc medium SportsMatch ring mounts, backed with a Beeman Professional "scope stop."  A few days later, I took the rifle up to my 20 acre hunting camp bordering the San Bernardino National Forest, and proceeded to find out just how bad a Gamo really is......

And it really was pretty bad.

The firing behavior was downright rude, with a significant amount of twang and vibration unlike that experienced with any other spring-piston air rifle I'd ever shot.  It was so bad, in fact, that the rifle ate up the Simmons Pro Air, which cost more than it did, in relatively short order.  If this would have been my first foray into adult air rifles, it might well have been my last.

But it wasn't.  I'd been down this kind of road before with Beeman-branded rifles that cost over two times what I'd paid for the Shadow when I had bought them 20 years ago.  When I bought my first adult air rifle -a Beeman/Webley Omega- the fellow at the shop I bought it from told me to expect the sort of thing I was experiencing with the Gamo, and he was right.  With shooting, the harshness and dieseling would go away, and accuracy would increase.

Leaning on that experience, I removed the busted scope from the rifle and kept on shooting.

After 500 shots, the dieseling was largely gone, and I was getting groups, rather than patterns, in shooting the rifle with the supplied open sights.  The twang was still there, but I expected much of that to be a by-product of the synthetic stock lacking the dampening quality of beech wood.  After that first tin of Kodiaks, the rifle started to show some potential.

The closest city to my hunting camp is Hesperia -a community of 75,000, about fifteen miles away, which sports a Wal-Mart.  So down the hill I went, hoping that they might have some sort of scope I could mount to the rifle that would let me extract what it was capable of, at least for the weekend.

I bought one of the 4-12 Bushnell Sportsman A.O. scopes they sell, drove back up into the mountains, and mounted the scope to the rifle under a hissing Coleman lantern.

The next day, I sighted the scope in and proceeded to polish off another tin of Kodiaks.

Midway through this second tin, it was clear that this was not same rifle that it was when it came out of the box.  The cocking was now butter-smooth aside from the "Webley slap" needed to break the detent lock.  Even the trigger, while nowhere close to the same league as the "Rekord" unit of an R-Series Beeman, had lost much of the annoying "ratchety" feel.  The rudeness of the firing cycle was mostly gone, and the dieseling had stopped.

On the 10 Meter target, the Gamo was grouping .17 to .19 ctc for 5 shots with the Kodiaks.  In moving to the 50 yard target, I had no trouble keeping 5 shots within a 1.5 inch circle.
 
The chronograph revealed that Gamo wasn't kidding about the power potential of this rifle.  It would spit out Kodiaks to the tune of 850 ft/s + with power hovering around the 16.5 ft/b mark.

Time to go hunting.......

My hunting camp was once covered in pinion trees, but a wildfire back in '94 and another in '98 converted it into desert scrub habitat that is now home to jackrabbits and quail.  Jackrabbits can be shot year 'round in California, so with evening approaching on my second day of shooting the Gamo, I decided to do exactly that -find a jackrabbit and, hopefully, take one.

I had no trouble finding a jackrabbit, and dropped one with a brain-pan shot some 45 paces away.

In walking my fenceline, the light weight of the Gamo definitely added joy to the experience that my R-1 didn't.  Another thing that I grew to appreciate right away was the Gamo's safety, which, unlike that of an R-Series Beeman, is in a convenient location, is silent in operation, and can be re-applied without having to re-cock the rifle to do it.

I decided to keep it, and I'm glad I did.  I used the rifle for three upland game bird seasons, and it never failed to perform.  Yeah, it was a little tougher to shoot than my R-1, due to the comparatively light weight and poor trigger feel.  But it wasn't impossible to score hits with under field conditions.

In camp during the hunting season, my shotgun-toting friends that I hunt with all prefered the Gamo over the R-1.  That might sound far-fetched to us who are really into this stuff, but that's the way it was.  The Gamo was viewed to be a lot of fun for few dollars, while the R-1 was deemed cumbersome and heavy, and tiring to use.  For guys whose idea of plinking was a brick of .22LR and a Ruger 10/22, the Gamo trigger felt positively match-grade, while the tirgger of the R-1 was so "so light, it's scary."

Perhaps Gamo knows their market, after all.

I personally know ten people who bought Shadows after shooting both my Shadow and my R-1.  No one bought an R-1 after shooting it.  In a couple of cases, a few of my pals actually left camp in the afternoon, drove out of the mountains into town to Wal Mart, and came back with Shadows of their own a few hours later!

After the first weekend of shooting my Shadow, I took the whole family up to my hunting camp so that my wife could try the Shadow.  She absolutely cannot shoot an R-1.  I still had my Omegas when we were first married, and she couldn't shoot them, either.  She couldn't cock them, and found their overall weight to be a monumental burden.  She liked the Shadow so much she requested one of her own, which she still enjoys shooting.

I no longer have my Shadow. I gave it to my brother in law as a birthday present and he was happy to get it because he didn't want just any Shadow -he wanted mine, and kept offering to buy it from me.

I've since moved on to a pair of R-9's, and as much as I like them, I have to honestly admit that for the kind of shooting that I do, I found the Shadow to be totally satisfactory, once the rifle was broken in and settled down.  Even the trigger was something that I had no trouble working around.

If all I did was target shoot, I'd personally like a little heavier gun.  I wouldn't use a Shadow in a formal competition, either.  As a field rifle, though, the Shadow really does have a lot going for it.  This is especially true if you are looking for a rifle for your teenage son or daughter to shoot, or a rifle for your wife to shoot.

Gamo advertises 38 pounds of cocking force.  Beeman advertsises 40 pounds for an R-9.  My wife can literally shoot her Shadow all day long.  If she spends an hour with one of my "Nines" she is done for the day.  The Shadow cocking effort feels lighter than advertised, while the cocking effort of the R-9 feels every bit of 40 pounds.

Yeah, the trigger of the Shadow leaves much to be desired, but hopefully "Charlie Da Tuna" will keep providing a fix for that.

I literally don't know of anyone personally who has a Shadow and regrets buying it, and I know about ten people who have them and enjoy using them.  It would seem to me that they offer a lot of shooting pleasure for the money, and with the tirgger fix that "Da Tuna" offers, I'd personally rather have a Shadow with his tirgger in it than an RWS break barrel.  Not that the RWS guns aren't good, mind you.  But I wasn't kidding when I said that I found much to like about the Shadow, either.  So for me, it isn't a question of one being better than the other, but which one I personally prefer.

Keep your chin up, Gamo shooters.  If you've got a Gamo and actually like it, you aren't the only one out there, in spite of how things might seem elsewhere in cyberspace.

-JP



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RE: Me and my Shadow (long)
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2006, 08:56:54 AM »
"Keep your chin up, Gamo shooters. If you've got a Gamo and actually like it, you aren't the only one out there, in spite of how things might seem elsewhere in cyberspace"

Yes, we know!

The problems you had with your Gamo out of the box - were those typical for your friends as well? The 3 Shadow's I tried - a new one, a refurb, and the new one I returned because of a damaged breach seal) - were all reasonable shooters from the get-go. They did smooth out with some use, but there were never that badly behaved even when new.

I'm guessing that the rifle is looked down on largely because it is lacking in some respects compared to an airgun costing 3x as much... but after trying several different rifles in the Gamo's price range (Benji Legacy 1000, B-20, B-21, B-19, Quest, TF25, Powerline) I have yet to sample anything that seems to be as good as a Shadow overall, at least not without a fair bit of work.


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RE: Me and my Shadow (long)
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2006, 11:13:52 AM »
vinceb:

Of all of the Shadows I've had first hand experience with, mine was among the worst out of the bunch.  A few were just as bad.  My wife's, on the other hand, didn't have to go through anywhere near the protracted break in than mine did.

As bad as mine was, it settled down to become a sweetheart of a rifle.  My brother in law liked it so much he was willing to pay me more than it was worth to buy it, because he knew how good it shot and he figured he'd be guessing as to whether another would be as nice.  Everyone I know who bought one loves it.

I agree with your assesment of the Shadow and would actually be inclined to up the ante a bit, as I really don't think there are many air rifles out there regardless of price that can beat the Shadow for the shooting that I do.

The point of my post wasn't to discourage anyone from buying a Shadow.  Far from it.  My point was that if one did chose to buy a Shadow, to be prepared for the possibility of a protracted break in.

We could really say the same for other makes and models.  For example, I've had three .20 R-1's over the years and each has had its own unique personality in that regard.  One was just as bad out of the box as my Shadow was.  My first Omega definitely was.

It seems to be the nature of the spring-piston beast, at least in my experience.

But yeah, I kind of figure that my Shadow experience was kind of a worst case scenario but even so, it did turn out to be a very nice shooter, and one that I throughly enjoyed using in the field.

-JP

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RE: Me and my Shadow (long)
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2006, 11:41:43 AM »
Excellent story.

When I got interested in air rifles I did an exhaustive search and learn.  I combed the internet and read all the articles I could find, always keeping in mind a price range of under $200.
After I could no longer bear to look at info. I realized that my choice was staring me in the face every time I went to Walmart.  Yep, the Shadow 1000 in .177.

I was lucky in my research as I'd found out that they have a fairly substantial break in period.  I was prepared for it and in fact, welcomed it.   I had to learn how to shoot an air rifle anyway.

2000 rounds plus later, I had a gun I was familiar with and happy with.  Then I sent it to Charlie and had a supertune/GTX trigger put in.  Now, after a new scope (Leaper's 4x16 50mm AO IR) and a custom muzzle break I have a gun that I love.

I have put another 1500 rounds through it since I got it back from Charlie.  I target shoot almost every day barring bad weather.

I've taken 7 rabbits, 3 chipmunks and 5 squirrels with it nice and cleanly.  (Purely pest control)

I find myself once again scanning and searching the internet looking for another air rifle.  Naturally, as the undeniable progression goes I'm looking for something bigger and better.  For me, that means .20 to .22 cal.  The problem is, every time I think I've found something worth saving up for I go outside and shoot my Shadow.  When I'm done I wonder what I could possibly get that would make me feel as happy as that gun does.

I still only have one air rifle.   :)
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RE: Me and my Shadow (long)
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2006, 11:45:16 AM »
I forgot to mention one other comparatively priced rifle I had (for a short time) - the Beeman SS1000 model 1050. I doubt that Gamo would EVER produce anything that pathetic for that kind of money. Not only was it a poor performer - the design and build quality were lousy. It's the only over-$30 rifle I've ever seen that had a direct-sear trigger, for cryin' out loud.

Fortunately for me, the guy who sold it to me (on gunbroker) had mis-described it (he said it had a "two-stage adjustable trigger")... so he was under obligation to take it back. Fortunately for me, he did refund my money (eventually).

If ayone ever tells me that Gamo is junk compared to Beeman - and the only fair comparison is by price - I'm gonna wanna puke...

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RE: Me and my Shadow (long)
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2006, 12:52:49 PM »
"For me, that means .20 to .22 cal. The problem is, every time I think I've found something worth saving up for I go outside and shoot my Shadow. When I'm done I wonder what I could possibly get that would make me feel as happy as that gun does."

Probably a Shadow in .22, or a 220 or 440 in .22. Mechanically the same gun as the Shadow; the 220 has a wood stock and the 440 had a better wood stock and better sights.

I don't think the .22 Shadow has open sights - I believe it's meant for "scope only" (do NOT ask me why...)

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Re: Me and my Shadow (long)
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2006, 02:17:54 PM »
I moved here from Southern California a year ago. After adjusting to the culture shock..:) I stumbled across an air gun forum.

That's when my life started to change.. :) After a month or so reading everyone's post on different air guns and what they did with them I decided maybe I would like this sport/hobby. Went out and bought my first air rifle.. "Shadow 1000". Never had shot or seen an air gun or pellet gun up close and never had touched one. Picked the S1k up at a local hunting shop with three tins of pellets. It was equipped with a BSA 3-9X32 scope. Did not know what to expect. So I proceeded to target shoot. Ran through the 3 tins fast and went to Wally World for some more. The S1K seemed to be fine to me. Of course I did not know squat about any air rifle and what to expect...:)

After a while I heard about CharlieDaTuna. Found out he lived less than 20 miles from me. Called him up and asked if he could put a trigger and tune my S1k for me. He told me to bring it over the next week.
I took it over the following week and dropped it off. After a short conversation with him, I knew that I could trust him with my baby..:)
He called me up a couple days later to come pick it up. I got a kitchen pass from momma and went over to pick it up. As I pulled up in front of his shop he was standing there with his dog Fritz. As I walked up to the shop he was popping in a pellet to what looked like my S1K.
He said here ya go. He pointed to back of the shop and told me to go out side there and fire it off. I walked out the back  of the shop and took shaky aim... lol . It went pop. Dang this could not be the same gun, so I looked the rifle over to see if it was really the S1K I had brought over a couple days ago. I looked around and he had a smile on his face and asked me. Well, what do you think? My chin dropped and I blurted out a studder or two before I could think...lol..
Well at this point, I knew what a good Springer should shoot like. At least a Gamo.. It was the best $ I had ever spent. Since then we have become very good friends and I can tell you that when you figure out the time he spends on a tune up that he is making below minimum wage.:) I questioned him about that and he told me he loves what he does and gets enormous gratification for contributing to the air gun sport. I think of the hundreds of tunes and triggers he has done on Gamo's not including all the other makes and models he fixes and tuned. All the people he has given help to through these forums. The contribution is a tremendous one.. Since I knew nothing about air guns, and the fact that I probably would never be able to make such a contribution to the community like CharlieDaTuna has. I did have the knowledge to start this forum. So hence this is my contribution...:) With allot of help from CharlieDaTuna we now have the GTA and it is your forum.

After 7 more Gamo's... LOL I am still as excited as I was when I purchased my first S1K.. I have all but one of my air guns in the Album section of this forum. I am waiting for CharlieDaTuna's New GRT-III triggers to come out. Then I will turn over my new CFX Royal .22 that I purchased from the UK for him to work on..:)

I enjoy my QB's, B26-2, Crosman 2240 .22 and for the future who knows, maybe a R-9 or even a Daystate...:) I am like a kid in da candy store... he he

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Its called a Black Shadow Supreme and is currntly avaiable in 22 caliber
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2006, 05:11:36 PM »
at leasgt until the stores run out of stock(Gamo has stoped importing all other calibers than 177 now). You can fins the gun at either of the gun auction sights(Gun Broker, Auction Arms) under airguns and usually with a "buy it now price of $149 and a $12.50 shipping fee. The gun is Brand new and comes with no iron sights but a 4x scope. Personally I won't own a rifle without iron sights so I quickly added them to mine. For a front sight I used the plastic pickle I had removed from my CFX and for a rear sight I used a mendoza Peep. Both sights work perfectly for me out to 10 yards. This is a really sweet shooting 22 caliber rifle. I am very happy with it. Recently I also added a Realtre camo stock to the gun as well. See the photos below.
the progression in how my rifle started out. 1) The rifle as it came from the Auction. 2) The moved CFX pickle for a front sight. 3) The Mendoza Rear peep sight. 4) The completed rifle ready for action. 5) the rifle with its new Camo stock. Needless to say I am pleased with how nicely it came out. If you want a 22 caliber shadoew this is one of the best avaiable.