Author Topic: Shade Tree Tuning  (Read 4104 times)

Offline kirby999

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Shade Tree Tuning
« on: October 10, 2007, 06:10:23 AM »
I made myself a spring compressor yesterday , I've had a couple of Macarri springs for a R7 for almost a year and I finally got around to ordering some of his lubes a few days ago. With springs , lubes, and compressor , All I needed now was the nerve to take one of these babies apart. All I really wanted to accomplish for now was a lube change , and since I was gong to open her up I thought I may as well change the spring . I set up my spring compressor and tools out on the picnic  table under  a  big pine tree out back . I removed the stock , then the trigger housing and placed the  R7 into the spring compressor and relieved  the pressure on the spring just enough to remove the single screw that holds everything in and then slowly back off on the c-clamp on the compressor; out slid the end cap and spring . I removed the spring and guide and degreased them and then with a covered wooden dowel inserted into the receiver , clean what I could out of there. That's as far as I wanted to open her up for now . Maybe the next one , I can  try to change the lubes on the piston and compression tube . I took the Maccari spring and noticed it was a little longer but I read it would be and smeared a light coating of heavy tar on the ends and outside wearing  a rubber  glove on my right hand to keep the mess down . I also coated the guide with a light coat . Then I carefully replaced everything in the reverse order I removed them ; using the C-clamp to compress the end cap and spring back into the receiver  , being careful to keep everything lined  up , Until I got the screw hole lined up and replaced the screw that holds everything in . I then replaced the trigger assembly after removing excess grease that was all up inside with a toothpick the best I could. I notice the cocking arm was rubbing on the bottom of the receiver ,so I smeared a little molly paste on the wearing areas . After replacing the stock and scope it was ready to try her out . Right away , I noticed it cocked better than before . My first few shots , I got a  lot of dieseling, probably from moving everything around inside. After less than 10 shots she  settled down and a quicker , quieter shot cycle was noticed right away . I shot twenty or thirty shots and decided to check her out with the chrony. I'm going to list the pellet , the avg. before and the avg. after .  JSB Exact ,before : 604fps after 620fps ; Superdomes before : 579fps after 601fps; CPL's before 590fps after 616fps. . I'm still getting some dieseling  maybe once every  ten  to fifteen shots . I think this would be expected  as the gun wasn't quite  broken in yet anyway.   It was definitely a learning experience  and I wouldn't recommend it to everybody  . And I'm sure with other makes  of air rifles,  a lot more needs to be done  to them to get a desired  outcome and a sweet shooting rifle and I'm sure a lot more could be done to this one, but I'm pleased with the outcome and feel right proud of my accomplishment . kirby
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Re: Shade Tree Tuning
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2007, 08:13:04 AM »
Almost kinda makes you wonder why you pay so much to get a tune?  Glad you came out to speak the truth on how easy a lube tune is to do.
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RE: Shade Tree Tuning
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2007, 08:32:01 AM »


David I am assuming the new tar on the spring also took care of the twang you were looking to get rid of also?



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RE: Shade Tree Tuning
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2007, 08:51:20 AM »
Yes John , it quieten it down a lot , it feels and shoots   a different rifle, and I never said it was easy . But I think if a person is capable of doing a brake job on his wife's car , he should be able to lube tune a higher end springer (German or British)  . The Chinese stuff and maybe even the Spanish stuff might be a different animal.  I just finished my AA TX200 HC and I can't believe how easy it is to disassemble  and put back together. Very few parts  and a spring compressor  may not be necessary for the TX as some people have said but it makes it easier . kirby EDIT:Hey Jon; I posted this over on your new field target sight but I had to spread it out , you may want to move it.
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RE: Shade Tree Tuning
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2007, 08:57:17 AM »
I also wanted to add that IMO this does not take the place of a full tune , it only quieten the gun down , My TX still has the same thunk it had before (recoil) it just doesn't have the twang. The R7 because of the spring change does feel different . kirby
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Re: Shade Tree Tuning
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2007, 12:53:26 PM »
Way to go David. At least you got your toes wet..:) Next time you can go a bit deeper. It took me a long time before I would even touch a spring compressor or the inside pieces of a springer. Believe me I have done my fair share of brake jobs..:) Now you know what the difference is after you did what you did to your R-7.. My feeling is that to be able to tune any particular air rifle with a good degree of accuracy, you have to do allot of them from top to bottom...:) Now I love pulling my new ones down and inspecting them to see the build quality of the power plants. So far the German's have em beat..:) But I have not seen that big of a variety yet but some day maybe I will have a good collection of different makes of air guns.. Thanks for sharing the tear down and pics with us. And the spring compressor is very clean buddy. Gene
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RE: Shade Tree Tuning
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2007, 01:22:14 PM »


Great job Kirby,



You inspire us all with your willingness to explore were fewpersons have dared to go !



Good job buddy, next time, the compression cylinder and seals !



And a fine job you performed on that spring compressor ! GREAT PHOTTOS also !!

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RE: Shade Tree Tuning
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2007, 01:51:17 PM »
Thanks Guys, Got two done now , the R7 , then the TX200, I think the CZ Slavia may be next. Gene, have opened your's up yet? I've been reading up on them , all I can find is stuff on the 630 and 631's . I would guess they're pretty similar. I've read the piston is pretty rough in them and need to be polished up a little. I guess I'll find out. kirby
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RE: Shade Tree Tuning
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2007, 03:58:29 PM »
Good start Daved, a little at a time. Pretty soon ther'll be part's laying everwhere getting some TLC. I've got two B3's on the bench right now, my tune and assembly line setup hehe. On the other end of my shop hang's the stock's in the camo prep area, busy busy. Keep after it bud and it sound's like your injoying it also. Ed
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RE: Shade Tree Tuning
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2007, 03:21:48 AM »
I love it when a plan comes together,

Nice spring compressor!

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