Sam, the best deal out there that's even close to the price of a Talon is the AirArms Carbine in factory rifle. And they're right at $500 if you can find a 10% off coupon from Pyramyd . Accuracy and quality is better than the Talon IMO. I playing with a Crosman 2250 conversion at the moment that I've got set up on CO2 but I bought a regulated HPA paintball bottle today that's set at 850psi output that I'm going to try out . I should be able to just drain the tube and swap out the bottles when I fill. In .177 on CO2 and everything stock except for a B&A bulking kit , I was getting 690fps at 70 degrees . If you don't care for my stock set up ; Steve Corcoran makes a couple of more traditional looking stock. kirby