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Re: what is a good lathe for making spring guides?
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2008, 03:37:45 PM »
Received a notice from Enco on 3/12/08 of a sale on their 7" x 10" variable speed lathe (model#110-0800) with accessories. It was priced at $570. Now $425.95 this includes free shipping thru 3/31/08. Promo Code: WBMR8
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I'm kinda confused...
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2008, 04:08:18 PM »


Mike, I never did get a lathe yet and this sounds like a good deal but then I really dont know too much about lathes. I've noticedwhen this subject comes up, the general consensus is that the Cummins model is a great model to "do what we do".



Mike, do you feel that the Enco lathe that you mentioned is a better deal/lathe than the Cummins model?

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Re: what is a good lathe for making spring guides?
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2008, 09:13:28 PM »
Dave:
Its kind of a tough call on which is the better deal, the Cummins(ToolsNow) at $399.99 + Shipping or the Enco at $425.95 including shipping.  First, I would go to the Cummins site "cart" to see what the shipping would be to you in Calif. Second, I would place a phone call to Cummins to clarify whether or not a 3 jaw chuck is included (list mentions 3 Jaws but not chuck specifically and check to see if a 4 position tool post is included). Be sure to ask for the full name of the person you talk to on the phone first thing and note the exact date & time of day. It tends to keep them more honest and more likely to ask a supervisor if they don't know the answer to your question rather than B.S. you. Also with a name, if a product arrives and is not what you expected based on what you were told, you have someone to point to in resolving the problem.
Also ask to verify the spindle RPM range 100-2500. The Enco spec's: 200-2900 RPM. The Cummins, with 100 RPM minimum is much better than 200. Ever try to thread 1/2-13 up to a shoulder at 200 RPM? Don't Do It!
The Cummins appears to have a 50mm longer bed than the Enco and if I properly recollect, the Chinese Co.(looks like Seig) makes these in 2 sizes, 250mm and 300mm otherwise, they are the same lathe. The longer bed length is a Great Big Plus for the Cummins.
The Cummins lists as standard equipment both a steady and follow rest vs. Enco steady and follow as $36 & $25.70 options.
The Spindle through hole is equal to or 1/32 larger in the Cummins - Enco spec's. say 3/4" vs. Cummins 20mm. My guess is that, if there is any difference, it's accidental.

The electrical controls look to be a little different - off/on switch & speed control. Might want to make a closer comparison  on the controls.
Even if the lathe (either) comes with a 3 jaw chuck, I would recommend also ordering a 4 jaw chuck for several reasons. Also, the Cummins does NOT come with a live center(C. lists it as a "rolling center") as does the Enco, so if I bought the Cummins, I'd order the $15 live center too.
Obviously, accessories are just that, and can be changed but bed length like spindle inside dia. can Not(not practically). So, If I were buying, I would be leaning pretty hard towards the Cummins.  The steady and follow rests are almost a support necessity turning longer small dia. objects and are more costly as Enco accessories  than a Cummins chuck.

Have I helped or made the choice more difficult? Hope I've helped.
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Re: what is a good lathe for making spring guides?
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2008, 10:10:31 AM »
Awesome, no...you just kind of showed that bottom line you would lean towards the Cummins model. And this has been the case for a while now. If one were to wait for the free shipping special at Cummins, then that lathe would be an excellent deal. And granted, yes, there are still more accessories to buy in order to do what we do.
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Re: what is a good lathe for making spring guides?
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2008, 04:49:28 PM »
Dave:
One other thing I noticed on the ToolsNow (Cummins) lathe spec. page that is not mentioned by Enco; the Cummins will cut not only SAE threads but METRIC threads also. Europe & Asia, including China use the metric system.
Waiting for a free shipping promotion could be a gamble because the next shipment of lathes or anything else is going to cost the U.S. importer more than the last shipment due to the falling value of the U.S. dollar.
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