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Tank filling--locations?
« on: December 31, 2007, 08:55:15 AM »


Need some friendly advice on where to get a tank filled to 4500 psi in the chicago/so. wisconsin area!!



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Bret


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RE: Tank filling--locations?
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2007, 09:28:06 AM »

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RE: Tank filling--locations?
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2008, 02:36:42 PM »


Thanks Dave---I got a reply from Don off the yellow site for a shop in So. Wisc. that's only 45 mins. ---I haven't called to confirm the 4500 but when I do----I'll add it to the list. How are things by the way? You gave me a lot of good advice when I started in airguns last yr.(pellets, scopes, etc..) I just jumped from my first rifle (Gamo s1k---which has over 110 recorded kills--chipmunks, squirrels, starlings, rabbit, crow, pigeon, sparrows) to the darkside---just bought it--haven't even rec'd it yet---can't wait.



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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2008, 05:12:08 PM »
Doing pretty good, Bret, just glad I could help out.  So what gun has you moving to the Dark Side?  Just be prepared, springers lose their appeal in a hurry when you start playing with a PCP :-).  BTW, there's another alternative to getting tanks filled.  I rent a 4500 psi, 443 cu. ft. nitrogen cylinder from a local welding/gas supplier.  Been using the same tank since last August to fill my Talon.  Since I recently got a couple of 44 cu. ft. SCBA tanks, I'll be setting up a filler to fill those from the nitrogen cylinder.  Just another idea to toss in the hopper.  Good luck, and keep us posted.  Later.

Dave

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RE: Tank filling--locations?
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2008, 06:26:35 PM »


Hey Dave,



Made the jump with an AA s400e Xtra that I found on the Yellow forum. I can't wait to get it. From what I hear about the Dark side---there truly is "no going back" though I've read about a few guys who've done it. It seems like they say "pcp's are too easy and there's no challenge to it". I don't know what that's like but it sure will be fun finding out---of course if I get so good that it's too easy---hell, I'll just back up another 20 yds.!!! ;-)



I read in the AA manual to only use compressed air---do they say this to cover their #ss or what? I have read about Nitrogen but not sure how it all works yet. Lots of advice on your experience would be helpful.



Thanks Dave,



Bret


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RE: Tank filling--locations?
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2008, 04:34:15 AM »
Air IS mostly nitrogen, about 80%.  And it's inert, which oxygen certainly isn't!  Only reason I get nitrogen vs. compressed air is that my supplier keeps the N2 in stock, compressed air would be a special order.  I'm sure if you checked with AA, they'd say no problem.  Now I've heard of some guys running their guns on helium, supposed to give a big boost in power, but it leaks out, because of the molecules size, it leaks through almost anything.  

Like I said, I've been running mine on N2 since I got it, had NO problems.  One little piece of anecdotal info that's probably at least partly coincidence.  My brother bought a Talon SS from Dano in TX.  Dan said he had it set up to shoot in the low 900's with Kodiaks.  When it came in, we filled it and proceeded to chrony it.  VERY consistent high 900's, shot after shot.  On the face of it, just using N2 instead of air shouldn't make that much difference.  Lots of things probably contributed.  The top hat was a little loose, maybe it moved when I tightened it.  I'm over 1500 ft. here, Dan's close to sea level.  I think the biggest difference was introduced moisture.  Dan fills with a pump, industrial gases are generally bone dry.  My opinion is that the introduced moisture has a braking effect.  I will say Dan did an incredible job setting up that Talon.  I think we fired something like 50 or more shots from a 3K psi fill, velocity dropped less than 20 fps, and pressure only went down 800 psi.  Even with the custom valve in mine, I don't do that well.

Congrats on that S400, I've heard nothing but good things about those rifles.  The Xtra is a 30+ fpe .22, isn't it?  I can't see going back, although Dan and Kirby have both done it.  You're right, not enough challenge, just back up another 20!  Or switch to a smaller target :-).  Later.

Dave


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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2008, 04:27:27 PM »


Dave,



Thanks for the reply--just back from vacation otherwise I would've seen your post earlier--not sure where I'll be able to get the N2--probably a localindust. gas supplier---Luckily Ive got a 4500 psi source for cmpressed air within 40 mins.---I travel there for business anyway so that'll work out well. Sounds like you really know a lot about springers and pcps---all that talk about adjusting the tophat, etc.---I wouldn't even know where to start.



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Bret


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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2008, 04:31:44 PM »


Yeah,



I think the .22 is around 30 fpe or so---can't wait to try it out on the target range and the hunting range! How's your talon working out? I very nearly "pulled the trigger" on one of those---just not sure about the ergonomics--regular long rifles fit me well-(I'm 6'4)--they surelook pretty cool though and most owners really love'em. Maybe my next darkside purchase?



Late,



Bret


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Re: Tank filling--locations?
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2008, 04:59:23 PM »
Dave, about how much is it for deposit and monthly rental for the tank?

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RE: Tank filling--locations?
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2008, 04:12:21 AM »
In some ways, the PCP's are simpler and easier to work on than the springers.  Yup, I get my nitrogen from a local industrial gas supplier, Oxarc.  I absolutely love my Talon, but I think I'm glad it wasn't my first airgun.  Working my way up through the various grades of springers makes me appreciate it all the more :-).  They're easy to work on and mod, but if you don't like tinkering with your guns, I'd say stay away.  They require a fair bit of tinkering out of the box to get them to shoot their best.  It can be tedious, but considering the flexibility the platform offers, I think it's worth it.  I decided on the Talon SS as my first PCP just because of that flexibility, everything interchanges with everything else.  As far as fit, if a regular rifle fits you well, the Talon or Condor would be no better or worse for you than anyone else.  The main complaint is the high scope mount required.  That and the rudimentary butt plate give some people fits.  But both can be dealt with.  If you're seriously considering getting one, I'd try to find a way to handle one first.

From what I've heard, you are going to LOVE that 400!  I recently got my second PCP from Dan, a BAM B50.  It still needs some work, but I'm having a good time with it.  I think my next one is going to have to be a repeater, though.  At the moment, I'm leaning towards a Logun S16s, but it ain't gonna happen soon, those things are SPENDY!  Saw one used recently, but the guy wanted as much as a new rifle.  Granted, that included a bunch of goodies, but still too rich for my blood.  Enough rambling, catch you later.

Dave

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Re: Tank filling--locations?
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2008, 04:17:29 AM »
I get mine for a local supplier called Oxarc, I think they're just in my neck of the woods.  No deposit on the tank, gas cost me about $60, monthly tank rental is about $10.50.  I've been using the same tank since last August, I really expected to go through gas quicker :-).  If this continues, it might be cheaper for me to buy my own tank, I think that would be somewhere between $250 and $300.  Later.

Dave