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I finished testing the pellet sampler!
« on: January 03, 2008, 03:47:29 PM »
First off, I love the GRT III.  I installed it before any testing, and got used to it shooting some superdomes.  I couldn't have had so much fun testing with the stock gamo trigger.  Thank you CDT.

I had a blast testing all 36 different pellets, I really did.  I was glad I had built the silent pellet trap, it held my index cards perfectly!  The way I did the testing was I drew two approx. 1cm circles with a inner dot per index card.  Each circle for its own pellet.  I did one 8 shot group of each pellet from about 14 yards, I moved my table back as far as I could to get the extra two yards.  Normally I only have 12 yards.  I labeled the targets with numbers, that corresponded with the pellet sampler.  Number 1 for the first pellet in the lights box and 36 for the bottom right pellet in the heavies box.  I went from low to high just because I felt like it.  I was blown away by some of the pellets I had doubted, and distraught when the ones I believed in failed.  Most groups were average, except for a few.  Some were better than average, and some were worse.  What was also a shock was how loose and how tight some pellets were.  The JSB predators were so loose I had to hold my gun horizontally while I replaced the barrel to the upright position so they wouldn't fall out.  I think the tightest fitting were the silver arrows.

One thing to note is the very weird change my gun underwent while shooting RWS supermags.  They are a heavy weight wad cutter at 9.3 grains and they were also a tight fit.  I wasn't 'surprised' with how tight they were, but it was noticable when I loaded the first one.  Then I fired and heard the distressing sound I had experienced twice before.  There was a *thud* instead of a twang.  I was almost positive the spring had broken.  I slowly cocked the gun waiting to feel a difference in the cocking motion, but none was detected.  I loaded another supermag and fired again.  The sound was no different then the first shot.  I was feeling helpless.  I had just taken so much time testing pellets with my current stock spring and I thought I would have to start over with a new spring.  I loaded in a superdome this time, and fired.  I was estatic when I heard my normal spring twang.  For once I was glad to hear/feel some twang.  I finished up the supermag group, and winced every single time I heard that depressing thud.  It was very much different and unexpected from that pellet.  There was no dieseling that I could notice either.  Weird.

After all the testing, I picked out the groups that looked and/or measured the best.  They are...
RWS diablo basic 7.0grain
Beeman silver bear 7.1
RWS super H 7.4
Beeman HN match 7.55
Beeman laser sport 7.7
RWS CO2 7.7
RWS R-10 8.2
RWS meisters 8.3
Beeman kodiak 10.6
Beeman silver arrow 11.5

I was particularly surprised with the RWS diablo basics.  There less than 1 cent per pellet, yet they were one of the best groups.  They grouped in a C shape instead of a circle, which worried me, and they are fairy light(not that its a problem, but I don't want the possibility of excess spring fatigue)  so I don't think I'm going to stick with them.  The meisters are mid weight at 8.3 and moderately priced at $9 a tin of 500.  I think I'm going to go with them, and maybe a tin of RWS super H points for pest control.

I still have enough pellets to do another one of these assessments if I need to.  I might even have enough for two more!  Well, all thats left now is to order up some pellets and get back to my normal plinking.  Happy shooting everyone, and again thanks for helping me become more accustomed to airgunning.  


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RE: I finished testing the pellet sampler!
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2008, 12:50:09 AM »
very cool and helpful info......i have found that the gamo magnum pellets work well in my viper and group nice at 40 yds .....but not well at all in my shadow the shadow likes the beeman crow mags......i bought a new big cat yesterday so i will be at the range finding out what it likes this weekend...i have a silhouette match tomorrow [custon built sabbatti 22 h.b with a zeiss victory 3-12x56] with my dad who uses a custom ruger 10-22 alot of fun but after the match my dad and i are going to hang out and get his hunter extreme and my big cat dialed in. he has only put about 20 pellets through his extreme so i think i will go down to adventure sports up here in seattle today and load up on pellets ....cool store they specialize in airgun sales so they have it all....so we can find out what are new guns like.....i have always been under the impression that heavier and slower is better as far as accuracy goes ....but any knowledge i can gain on this topic is helpful thanks

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Ok, I ordered
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2008, 05:19:35 AM »
5,000 RWS meisterkruglens, 10 tins
500 RWS super points, 1 tin
500 RWS super H point, 1 tin

And a pair of accushot rings for my crossman 1077 and it's scope.  

I cashed in on the 4 tins for the price of three, and only had to pay for 9 tins of meisters.  Gah I hate shipping charges though.  I have to call them up to request it USPS but it still gets expensive.  This time it was 17.50, they told me everything couldn't fit into one flat rate box.  Well atleast I won't have to buy pelletst again any time soon.

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Re: I finished testing the pellet sampler!
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2008, 03:25:16 PM »
I wouldn't recommend pellets over 8.5 gr, Josh. the just seem to be too hard on the spring, thus the "thud" you heard versus twang. Interest results on your test. I tested my S1K at 30 yards and more, as I used it for Field Target competitions. My finding was that pellets that were accurate at longer distances were also the most accurate up close. With a JM Tarantula spring and seal. GRT-lll trigger,  polished piston and honed compression chamber, completely polished trigger mechanism, it loves JSB 8.44 gr 4.53mm pellets best, both before and after the mods. the breech is quite loose, such as you said, though and I've never cleaned the barrel, since first cleaning it as new, so it must be pretty loose, but I can still geta 3/4" group of 5 at forty yards usually, and if I'm really in the groove, it will do under a half inch. Good to hear you took the time to try it out and had fun doing it , too. Best of luck!

Ric G
PS My stock spring broke at 2500 pellets. The JM now has 3500 on it and going strong, although I don't shoot it as often since going dark side.
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Re: I finished testing the pellet sampler!
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2008, 04:42:48 PM »
I read on several air rifle forums that the "best" all around weight for a 1,000fps springer was 8 to 8.5 When I 1st got my Whsiper, the local store only had RWS Superdomes 8.3g
These did work well but I only had the Raptors that came with the rifle to compare it to. However I could put all shots all day into a quarter at 37 ft(length of my house) off hand through the scope. When I shot the loud Raptors, they were also consistent, consistently off target. No rythme or reason where they would strike, never the same place on the same hold. So 1st chance I had, a few buddies had some old pellets laying around and gave them to me. One was a German match wadcutter 8.2g which shot like the SuperDomes and the other was 6.5 pointed hunting pellet. This light load was awful but not as bad as the even lighter Raptors. All these results were repeatable and consisent. If they shot good, they shot good, if bad always bad. The Raptors were also consistently unpredictable and wild. I am gonna get an assortment 7.5 to 10.6 and see what I can surmise. Good reading keep up the good work!
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Re: I finished testing the pellet sampler!
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2008, 05:36:28 PM »
Thanks for the .177 pellet evaluation and listing what you experienced are the best for your gun. I've recently been investigating .177 pellet selection, though I've not tested yet. The findings are a good place for me to start. I've attached an xl table that just about summarizes the comments in this thread that joshc321 launched for everyones awarenwess. Could you clarify what gun were you using for the test shooting?