New PCP/CO2 gun coming from Crosman

It's called the Benjamin Discovery and is based on the Crosman 2260.
See:
http://www.americanairgunhunter.com/benji_discovery.html

[London177]

Thanks for the link Bob
Well I think Crosman will sell quite a few at that price. It's a really nice looking rifle.
regards,
Alan

[Gene_SC]

Great information Bob. and thanks for your contribution.

Gene

[ribbonstone]

Been thinking about this...and a rifle/pump combo from a majhor name for under $400 is a break through.  I don't have a burning urge to own one, but believe that they could sell a bunch of them if they (1) are geared up for real production and (2) don't have too great a lag-time between announcment and real production.  It's a very smart move on their part, there is a market for PCP's in this price range.

There will be problems.  Are going to be people who charge them past their 2000PSI limit (if 2000PSi is good, then 4,000 would be twice as good..right?)...people who think that becasue they can home-mod. the co2 models, they can do the same tricks to a PCP...someone who decides to pump 2000PSI of air on top of a fill of Co2...would be a whole lot of ways for an idiot to get into trouble.

[r1derbike]

Thanks for the info, Bob! I'll keep an ear to the ground on this.  Wish it was a bit more powerful, though.

Charles

[mikeiniowa]

Just wish they changed the trigger, that plastic thing isn't real great. never kept a 2260 or1760 past tuning but have had some complaints about it.

The new PCP guns are on the Crosman web site now and they're taking orders:
http://www.crosman.com/site/catalog/crosman/rifle/pcp

More info on the gun here:
http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2008/01/benjamin-discovery-part-1-concept-and.html


BobD

[r1derbike]

Mike, what were the complaints on the plastic trigger? I was skeptical when I saw the chrome plated plastic trigger on my TF-89, but with a little adjusting, it isn't half bad.

B.B.'s write-up does look good, and I could live with mid 800s, .22 fps.  Think I'll wait a while, though.  Have more than enough rifles, at the moment.

Charles

[DanoInTx]

I'm not Mike but I think I can answer.  If you've ever shot a Crosman 2240/2250 then you know that it is a pretty poor trigger.  Now take that trigger and make it out of plastic, soft plastic.  I think that trigger is by far the worst trigger on any airgun I've shot, Fast Deer direct sear included.  Sure you can polish it, grind here and there, change sear springs, etc, and what you end up with is a lighter, squishy, plastic, soft, trigger.  If its componants had been made of metal then you might have a chance as in the 2240/2250 guns, but these are just a no win trigger.  I owned a 2260 (same trigger), and, well, I gave it to my wife:)  I think that the aftermarket trigger sears would fit it, but honestly I have never thought those were much of an improvement (maybe just me).  For the price I would much rather kick in an extra few bucks and buy a tuned B50 from Big Ed then buy a pump from the classifieds.  Might cost you another $100 total, but it would most likely be worth $300 more to you.  Other than that the QB PCP conversions are looking better every day, and at least that gun is all metal and has a decent trigger.  Just my $0.02

[r1derbike]

Thanks for the heads-up, Dano! I've never shot a 2240/50, but sounds like it isn't pleasant!

Charles

[dank]

I have to disagree Dan,
I've been researching PCPs for myself for a while now and I've never been able to come up with a ready to shoot package when all is said and done(gun, pump and various fittings) for under $600 New! .
As for the 22xx series trigger I agree it is not a fantastic trigger but it is not so bad as to interfere with your aim and accuracy. There is thousands of owners that will testify to this and who rarely complain about the trigger. Like I said not great but very far from the worst trigger on any airgun and just as far from hopeless. In fact yours is the first complaint I've ever heard. But now I know there are people who don't like them. I personally like all of the 22-13xx triggers I own on the five of them I have. But thats just me.

[Izzie45895]

The 2260 trigger is not the same as other 22xx/13xx guns. In stock form it's not that awful good as Dano said. It can however be modded into an acceptable trigger.

Check this out.....
http://www.spiralsol.com/airgunmod/1005.pdf

I did this to my 2260 and it now has a fairly good trigger. No creep and a crisp light letoff.  I suspect that most folks that buy a Discovery will be doing this. Having said that, I have to agree, it's still PLASTIC!

I tried to have Ratite at airgunsmith.com make a brass trigger a while back. Even sent him a spare plastic one for a template. They sell brass triggers for the rest of the series. Thought he was going to make them and sell them but after a few months I got an email from his son saying they were too busy building $30,000 crap spreaders or something like that to bother with it.
Oh well.

I do think, though that there will be a market for a brass 2260 trigger if this gun takes off. Hey Bob...............................

Iz

[DanoInTx]

I would have to agree with you Dan, there isn't a more cost effective package on the market right now.  The problem is that when you buy a cost effective package with a lot of potential, but not great out of the box you end up buying aftermarket parts like brass triggers, 2 stage sears, whatsamajiggies and whatchamacallits.  By the time you are done you have a gun which still (imho) has a less than good trigger and youve spent enough money to buy something much better out of the box.  Don't get me wrong, Crosman is going to sell a whole bunch of these things, and once people decide for themselves if they like shooting PCP's they will start getting rid of them and buying something better.  It's not that it isn't an "ok" gun, it probably isn't too bad, but for a few more bucks there is just so many much better guns, and honestly if you watch the classifieds there is a whole bunch of much better stuff for less than $100 more every day.  I can't comment on the pump, but it looks similar to the Chinese "Hill style" pumps I've seen other manufacturers rebranding as their own lately....will it pump past the 2000 psi Crosman has rated their PCP at, or have they kicked it in the knee to make sure you don't accidentally overfill?  They sure do cram a lot of stuff into $400, pump, gun, with a walnut stock even...hehe, a good cheap stock blank is about $100 by itself.  Sorry, I'm a little skeptical and still hold onto my opinion that the 2260 has the worst trigger group of just about any airgun I've owned...now if they had used the 2240 grip frame and trigger group which is "slightly" better, then they may have had something.  BTW, where is the "Benjamin" in all of this....isn't it a "Benjamin Discovery"?  All I see is a 2260 with a beefier airtube, gauge, and a pump.

[shadow]

Could this be my step into "The Dark Side"  hehehe. I'll wait and see how she pan's out. Ed

[Gene_SC]

Well buddy, I have been watching and reading allot of info on the new Crosman Benjiman Sheridan Discovery PCP. The velocity is good in the .177 for hunting. The price is way under a decent PCP. You do not need a bunch of expensive equipment to support her. And as I have read it only takes 25 pumps to fill her after you shoot 35 rounds. Those are some good points...:) And in my opinion the Crosman Benjiman Sheridan Discovery PCP is one nice looking shooter..:) Those who are teterring on the fence trying to decide if they want to make the big investment will look again and real hard at what Crosman has got to offer. Crosman is giving people a chance to step into the Twilight Zone or Darkside without having to mortgage there house or sell there kids...:) In my opinion Crosman has gone up another step on the ladder..:) One last thing is that Crosman has excellent service and have always taken good care of there clients..:)

Gene