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RWS 850 .22 - first kill..!
« on: February 06, 2008, 06:57:37 AM »
I 've had the Hammerli 850 .22 for a little over a week now and have been practicing with it at 20yds with a Tasco Golden Antler 3-9x32.  It 's a very accurate little gun using CP's, Beeman FTS and Superdomes, with CP's being the most accurate.  I can hit 3 same hole shots out of 5 and usually average 0.25" CTC groups.  The gun also shoots relatively well around 600-608fps at room temperature (72-73deg.) with all 3 of these pellets which it likes the most.  FTS 14.6gr are the fastest averaging 607fps for 12fpe but the others are not far behind it.

Well this morning there were at least 10 crows on my lawn about 39-40yds out.  I figured thi was the 850's opportunity to prove itself.  I used a different window downstairs this time to throw them off and they had no clue I was there!  I carefully placed the crosshairs about 1" above the crows head but another walks right in front of it.  Now the 2nd crow is a yard or so closer.  I reposition the crosshairs over the new crow's head and squeeze the trigger.  To my amazement I see the pellet strike not more than 1" short of the crows feet!  That was almost 1 foot lower than where I was aiming!  Needless to say all the crows disappeared in a flash.  I then realized I grabbed the wrong clip that had Beeman FTS in it.  In my haste I did not grab the magazine that was full of CP's and intended for hunting use.  I 'm sure the CP would have shot low too and have wounded the crow at best, but the CP does have a better trajectory than the FTS and retains more energy.  

Now I was determined to make the first kill with the 850.  It could feel it was her time and she was in heat :)  I continued walking around the house looking out the windows and 30min. later who shows up but the neighborhood squirrel coming down the street.  Must be the same one I 've been watching for the last week or so coming from up the street all the time.  I know exactly what tree he lives in because I see come down from it all the time and climb back up - a nice big oak tree like the 2 on my property, 2 houses down close to the road and very visible from my living room window.  I saw him playing with another squirrel up the road a couple of days ago so I know there 's at least 1 other one out there.  I figure he might as well be #17.. (I 'll stop counting when I get to 20, hehehe).  He circles my property and reaches the trees in the back of the house.  He used the same path that all the others before him did so I named it the green 70yd mile :)   He immediately starts jumping from tree to tree at the edge of my property making his way to the rear center directly behind my house.  I position myself in the bedroom window but he 's around 30yds away when he finally stops looking like he 's munching on something.  I have his ear in my crosshairs and then I hesitate and re-evaluate.  Having only practiced at 20yds and failed miserably earlier I decide to get a little closer.  I also did not know the knock down power of this gun and I feared I had held it near an open window for a while and the power had dropped.  I quickly run to my enclosed porch and slowly open a backyard facing window.  I get down to my knees and rest my non-shooting arm on the sill.  The tree rat has now moved a little closer towards me on a branch and I 'm estimating the distance to no less than 20yds.  Perfect.  As a matter of fact he 's almost right over the log where I shoot target paper!  Only problem is he is facing me.  I decide to try for a shot between the eyes. I have the crosshairs on his forhead but all of a sudden he turns like he saw me and nervously jumps on a much larger branch about 3yrds back.  He is now facing up ready to climb higher and I see much less of him.  I zoom in to 9X and adjust the A/O lightly.  I can see about half his left side of his body and very little of his head.  I then move about 12ft to the right and open the porch door.  He hasn't moved.  I look through the scope and I can now see mor than 1/2 his head including his ear.  I rest slightly on the door frame while I 'm holding the door open with my right leg and put the crosshairs on his left ear.  I squeeze the trigger and heard a crack sound, not as loud as I 'm used to with the 350, but it was still there.  

The beauty of a CO2 or a recoiless gun is that you can see if your quarry has been hit right away through the scope.  Well I knew he was hit when I saw him drop right out of the tree and I believe I saw the POI as well but it was all too fast.  The squirrel twitched for no more than 5 secs and expired.  Upon closer examination, I saw the CP had struck the ear exactly where the crosshairs were and to my amazement it went through the other side!  That's what I was actually looking for.  I did not expect that with a 600fps MV gun shooting a CP wtih only 11.5 FPE at 22-23yds, but I guess the CP has that reputation of deep penetration and hard hitting characteristics.  I 'm assuming the pellet did not find much resistance entering the ear cavity and only had to negotiate and exert its energy on the exit point.  It also makes sense to me that an ear shot is probably the best with a low-mid powered airgun so it transfers much of the energy inside instead of on the outside trying to penetrate the skull.  Some pics for your enjoyment  :-)

Springers:
Diana 36 .177
Diana 350 .22 (donated by Timmy!)
Diana 350 .177
PCP\'s:
Air Force Condor .22 (Airhog)
Air Force Condor .25 (Talon Tunes)
Air Force Condor .25 (Lemak)  
CO2/Pump:
RWS Hammerli 850 .22
Crosman 2240 Custom .22
A few Crosman pumpers .177

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RE: RWS 850 .22 - first kill..!
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2008, 08:37:36 AM »
Awsome shot there Bud,I love the CP'S.I think the wadcuttres are a bit more consistent.But the hollow points shoot pretty tight for me as well!
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CPH..
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2008, 08:46:44 AM »
Yes I hear the 850 also shoots well with Premier Hollow Points (CPH).  They also fit well in the clip and loading port.  Do you also have an 850?  l 've never used the CPH but I 'm getting ready to place fairly large pellet order and get a couple of CPH tins.  

thanks
Harry

PS. Sorry for the long post again.  I type fast and didn't realize I was typing a novel again..  :)
Springers:
Diana 36 .177
Diana 350 .22 (donated by Timmy!)
Diana 350 .177
PCP\'s:
Air Force Condor .22 (Airhog)
Air Force Condor .25 (Talon Tunes)
Air Force Condor .25 (Lemak)  
CO2/Pump:
RWS Hammerli 850 .22
Crosman 2240 Custom .22
A few Crosman pumpers .177

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RE: CPH..
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2008, 10:10:30 AM »
Stick with the wadcutters....why??Cuz there shooting straight!If the gun digests them well today...it will tommorow.I prefer the wadcutters.Nope,I don't own a 850...but I want to!!:)
Powerline 1000 tuned,HW97K,Turbo tuned RWS 34 W/4-16 Swift,Bsa Lightning XL.177.

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RE: CPH..
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2008, 10:28:43 AM »
Still some around Harry hehehe, great shot and look's like you messed up his day from the pic's. She does look fine next to her harvest and I will add one to my collection one of these day's hehehe. I noticed that your pic's are really looking great also, nice layout. :) Ed
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RE: CPH..
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2008, 10:45:45 AM »
Chris,
Wadcutters don't load well in the 850 and many jams have been reported with different types of flat-headed pellets.  Rounded/domed pellets work best with the 850 and the CPH are domed anyway with a small opening.  Wadcutters are traditionally great within 15yds or so but not good for longer distances.
Springers:
Diana 36 .177
Diana 350 .22 (donated by Timmy!)
Diana 350 .177
PCP\'s:
Air Force Condor .22 (Airhog)
Air Force Condor .25 (Talon Tunes)
Air Force Condor .25 (Lemak)  
CO2/Pump:
RWS Hammerli 850 .22
Crosman 2240 Custom .22
A few Crosman pumpers .177

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RE: CPH..
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2008, 10:49:06 AM »
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only1harry - 2/6/2008  4:46 PM

PS. Sorry for the long post again.  I type fast and didn't realize I was typing a novel again..  :)


No problems, Harry. Sometimes it takes more words to sufficiently describe the stalk and the kill. Your 850 seems to know what it's doing too. Keep up the good work.

Bryan

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a few left..
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2008, 11:04:45 AM »
Yes there are still out there Ed, but I think they are migrating or just exploring my now vacant or squirrel-resident-free property.  I don't think I have any resident squirrels anymore on the oak tress and the willow.  I haven't seen one come down from there since I got the last one I got a couple of weeks ago.  
I see a squirrel now and then come up the street ouf their territory exploring and passing by.  This unfortunate one was a young female.  I hope she wasn't carrying next year's harvest :-)  I wonder if there is a way to tell males from females.  This one was a little small bodied so maybe that 's a clue?  I 'm grateful my relatively small property has allowed me to take 17 squirrels since Sept. when the season started.  I had never imagined I 'd be doing so much backyard hunting.  
My wife of course got home early and caught me taking pics in the back yard.  She knew what I was doing and got pi**ed.  I had told her I 'd leave the squirrels alone after I got the crow, but I meant with the 350, not the 850 :-)  

I 'm surprised I have a gun that you don't have yet! hehehe  I usually rush the pics so the wife doesn't catch me.  I took this one to the neighbor's.  We 'll be eating it tomorrow.  I 'm going to ask my mom's neighbor this weekend if I can be allowed to take some squirrels on their property.  There were 20 of them on 2 large trees running all over the place in their back yard.  It looked like a war zone. I had never seen so many squirrels together all within a 1/2 acre lot!  It's an airgunner's paradise but for some reason none of them crossed over to my mom's property where I was so patiently waiting last weekend :)  I think it's because my dad had all the big and medium size trees cut down a few years ago.
How should I approach a home owner about shooting squirrels in their back yard?  Should I tell them they are pests capable of a lot of damage and hope they are not animal lovers?
Springers:
Diana 36 .177
Diana 350 .22 (donated by Timmy!)
Diana 350 .177
PCP\'s:
Air Force Condor .22 (Airhog)
Air Force Condor .25 (Talon Tunes)
Air Force Condor .25 (Lemak)  
CO2/Pump:
RWS Hammerli 850 .22
Crosman 2240 Custom .22
A few Crosman pumpers .177

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RE: a few left..
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2008, 12:22:40 PM »
Great shooting and great pics.   That 850 looks grand next to her kill....  I found your post extremely interesting as I'm thinking about ordering an 850 but haven't decided what caliber to get.  I was leaning towards the .177, thinking that the FPS might be a bit slow in the .22, but now your post is making me reconsider......

Jeff
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Re: RWS 850 .22 - first kill..!
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2008, 01:10:34 PM »
Thanks Harry for the pics and great account of the first RWS 850 kill...:) Indeed the RWS 850 is a real sweety to shoot and load. I own the RWS 850 .177 and it is as accurate as you say. Will be my squirrel shooter this summer as well. It is lite weight and easy to shoot. I put a Simmons 4-16X40 AO on mine and get a great field of view. Glass is very clear, even on cloudy days.

Best of luck with your new baby and hope to see more hunting pics and accounts of your hunts.


Gene
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Re: RWS 850 .22 - first kill..!
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2008, 01:12:54 PM »
Nice shroud buddy.:) Ed
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RE: a few left..
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2008, 02:27:15 PM »
Jeff, it's a very sweet shooter!  Very accurate..  99.9% recoiless and nothing like the 350 or any springer.  I think when I do the hammer spring mod that is very simple to do and everyone is doing, I will not be picking up the 350 much after that.. I can't believe I 'm saying this! :)  

With this inexpensie mod most people are reporting 700fps MV with their .22 in relatively cold weather!  That's 15.6 FPE with a mid-weight 14.3 pellet.  Most are reporting 16FPE at 80deg.  You cannot get this much power out of the .177 unless you did a lot of fancy work to it and even then..  In stock form the .177 gets around 700-720fps w/CPL's which is only ~8.6 to 9fpe tops.  Any heavier .177 pellets and it shoots in the 600's.  The .22 bone stock is a solid 12FPE gun.  There is no comparison between the two.  We are talking minimum 30% more power with the .22.  To me it was a no brainer, but that hammer spring mod was always in my mind before I even bought the 850.  700fps in 50deg weather with a CO2 gun is unheard of..  I am also getting the 9oz CO2 Paintball tank which fits beautifully under the 850's barrel.  All you need is the AS to PB adapter from B&A.  The 9oz CO2 tank will give you 2.6X more shots than a single AirSource cylinder, and it costs $2-3 to refill it!  That translates to about 500 shots with a sigle 9oz PB tank.  It's also a savings of about $15 than if you had to buy the regular AS bottles (2.6 of them, hehehe).  I 'm getting tired already of paying $12.95 for a pair of AS bottles at 190-200 shots per.  Time to do something about it :)  16FPE here I come!  First I think I 'll practice some 35+yd shooting so I don't miss the next crow :)
Springers:
Diana 36 .177
Diana 350 .22 (donated by Timmy!)
Diana 350 .177
PCP\'s:
Air Force Condor .22 (Airhog)
Air Force Condor .25 (Talon Tunes)
Air Force Condor .25 (Lemak)  
CO2/Pump:
RWS Hammerli 850 .22
Crosman 2240 Custom .22
A few Crosman pumpers .177

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Re: RWS 850 .22 - first kill..!
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2008, 02:37:33 PM »
Hey Gene,
I thought that was you on the 850 forum asking Roald questions a couple of weeks ago about a PB conversion and HPA, etc.  :-)  You asked a very good question:  "can I get this stuff all in one place"?  Unfortunately I think the 9oz tanks we need to buy at Lowes or Walmart.  The hammer spring from Rich in MI, and PB adapter from B&A.  I 'll probably get 2 9oz bottles so I won't have to go back for re-fills for 1,000 shots or so.

Those pics show a shroud on your 850?  You 're modding it already?  hehehe  Yeah I see that's the first thing most people do.  It is a little loud, but not more than a Magnum Springer.  My 350 .22 is a little louder.  Have you put your 850 through the chrony yet?  Maybe a little off topic here but do post on the Airgun Gate if you do any mods or chrony it.  This 850 can be very addictive.  I 'll be buying some extra clips soon because I 'm doing too much shooting.  Have fun!
Harry
Springers:
Diana 36 .177
Diana 350 .22 (donated by Timmy!)
Diana 350 .177
PCP\'s:
Air Force Condor .22 (Airhog)
Air Force Condor .25 (Talon Tunes)
Air Force Condor .25 (Lemak)  
CO2/Pump:
RWS Hammerli 850 .22
Crosman 2240 Custom .22
A few Crosman pumpers .177

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RE: RWS 850 .22 - first kill..!
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2008, 05:14:14 PM »
Great kill!  That gun is on my short list of guns to get.  You can't beat the power and the multiple shots for the money.  I can't believe that the Walther PCP version of that gun costs $500 more???

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Re: RWS 850 .22 - first kill..!
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2008, 05:27:25 PM »
Great shot man, I have the sudden urge to buy another one in .22 now. I have one in .177 and love it, but the .22 seems like it will get me to further distances when hunting.  Does it seem to have enough power and accuracy to take game out to 40-50yds?