yotehunter - 8/22/2006 3:55 PM
i dont have that kind of money....look,i would order those if they were cheaper,im going to order these ones http://www.straightshooters.com/bkl/bkl257a2pcmedfixed.html ,and a maybe a different scope stop...thanks for you inout fellas....
Yeah..... And I'd be driving a new Porsche Cayman today if they were about 20K less, too. Reckon I'll just have to put that purchase off a while until I can afford it.......
Don't have that kind of money, eh? I guess you entirely missed the point, then. When I was 14, I didn't have the kind of money it took to buy a FWB 124 all set up and ready to hunt, either. But when I was 17, I did. Yeah, I had to wait three years. But I didn't spend that three years shooting junk, wishing I had something better. Instead, I wound up with a set-up capable of providing a lifetime of shooting satsifaction.
If you want to settle for less, that's entirely up to you. But I seriously doubt if whatever money you do have now is all the money that you are ever going to have in the whole of your life, and that is my point.
I would also suggest again that if things really are that tight financially for you, then you are probably not in the best position to be throwing good money after bad.
It's really simple, Yote.... The cheap mounts may work ON A SHADOW or they may not. That is a gamble. And not a very good one, given the odds. On the other hand, if Beeman / SportsMatch mounts don't work, it is pretty safe to say that there probably isn't anything out there that will.
What you seem to be unwilling to accept is that the Gamo Shadow untuned is probably as rough on scopes as any air rifle out there, not just due to the recoil, but to the 2nd and 3rd order harmonic vibrations present during the firing cycle -that famous Gamo buzz and twang. The harsher and rougher your rifle is, the LESS likely you'll be able to get by with scope mounting using anything less than the best stuff out there, and that doesn't just include the mounts, but the scope, too.
You keep wanting to do this scope mounting thing "on the cheap" and that is entirely your perogotive.
But to say further up this thread that you "need to save for a 1377 and an Intermount" and then say "I don't have that kind of money" with respect to scope mounts doesn't make any sense at all.
1377 = about $50.00
Beeman 5030M =about $38.00 + about $12.00 for a scope stop that actually works.
So it really isn't that you can't afford to do this right, is it? It is a simple case of a lack of will to do it right. Fixing this problem of yours once and for all really isn't that important to you, because if it was, instead of worrying about saving up $50.00 for another airgun, you'd worry about saving up the $50.00 it'll take to cure what ails the one you've already got.
But you're not worried about that, really.
I believe that if you purchase these mounts, you will continue to have issues with mount creep until you replace them. Can you not see the difference between the BKL 257 A's and Beeman 5030M's in the pictures? The Beeman mounts have more purchase on the compression tube dovetails because the feet are bigger, and you can torque them down tighter because you've got TWO cap screws per mount to torque on, and you've got 4 cap screws per saddle to keep the scope from creeping in the mounts. And on an untuned Shadow, YOU NEED THAT.
And what's up with "maybe I'll get a better scope stop, too"? That ISN'T an option if you use 2 pc mounts on a Shadow.
But what in the hell do I know? I've only been shooting adult air rifles since 1981.
You know, Yote, I might not know everything there is to know about airguns. But I get paid $1,200.00 a pop for a single 45 minute presentation by sportsmen's show promoters, and I'll do 4 of them during the course of a show's 4-day run, during which time I'll be telling hundreds of people who paid $12.00 a head to enter the show basically the same stuff I've tried to tell you here for free.
Ain't the Internet grand...... You can get all kinds of advice. Some it comes from guys like me. In my case, you are getting the benefit of advice from a guy who has been a licensed hunter for 31 years, has been shooting and hunting with adult air rifles since 1981, shot airgun silhouette cometitively in college, used guns professionally in law enforcement, taught combat pistol shooting and advance weapons (SWAT in some circles), made a living for 10 years as a hunting guide after leaving law enforcement, currently makes a living writing about hunting and shooting, as well as through paid speaking engagements. And you're getting it for free.
And you are certainly free to ignore it.
What I have tried (in vain it seems) to do in my participation in this thread is to prevent you from wasting money. I can appreciate being on a budget. I can appreciate what it is like to be in one's teens trying to finance an airgun hobby. Been there, done that. I'm not trying to get you to buy Beeman rings just because I've got nothing better to do.
Go ahead and do it your way, Yote. But you really should stop trying to convince grown-ups that your way is the only option you've got, because it isn't. A lot of us, in addition to financing an airgun hobby, have car payments to make, utility bills to pay, morgatges to pay, clothes and food to buy, and college educations to save for. You DO have another option. It's called setting a goal, and working toward achieving it. It's called being patient, and choosing "gratification" over "instant." It is called making a mature purchase decision verses getting caught up in the emotion of "gotta have it now."
The fact of the matter, Yote, is that you need a roof over your head and clothes on your back and food in your tummy, and you need these things every day, but you DON'T need a scope mount today or tomorrow or the day after or next week or even next year. Because you DON'T need to make this purchase today, YOU CAN AFFORD TO PUT IT OFF UNTIL YOU CAN AFFORD TO DO IT RIGHT!!
Other fellas on this thread might be convinced that you have to settle for cut-rate goods but I'm not one of them. I stated before that the only person stopping you from doing this scope mount thing right and solving scope mount issues once and for all is you, and I'll stand by it. Because if you wanted to solve the problem the right way, you'd figure out a way to earn the money to do it, and any wait involved would be something that you would view as being ultimately worthwhile in the end.
I sincerely hope that low budget and cut rate works for you, but it is generally accepted among people who've been doing this awhile that "low buget" and "cut rate" typically don't equal field success and shooting satisfaction with spring-piston air rifles.
The odds of you bucking this tide of conventionally accepted reality, unfornuately, aren't really very good.
-JP
http://www.uplandhunter.net
