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Re: Shooting in Suburbia
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2008, 01:12:28 PM »
live on 10 acres in citra fl. no complaints even when the powder burner is out and about. John
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RE: Shooting in Suburbia
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2008, 01:53:01 PM »
Josh one of these days I'm gonna have to get you out to the range. s
hooting in the back yard is not much. shooting at the range cost , but no one to complain about the shooting.
 I'd even let ya shoot some of my guns, mostly 22.
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Re: Shooting in Suburbia
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2008, 02:05:34 PM »
I live in a metropolitan city so no shooting in the city or even in one's backyard.  I usually go into some industrial area....with train tracks and those large metal containers....when a train is rolling or when the workers move those containers around and dropping them onto other containers they cause a racket (which covers some of the air gun noise...if not all of it).
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RE: Shooting in Suburbia
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2008, 02:08:15 PM »
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threex4 - 3/11/2008  8:53 PM
...........Yes Gene,Dano, broke down and got a 850 :-)


Haha, I guess I am the only one left that hasn't broken down and bought one yet.  I am shooting a TF79T running on a regulated HPA these days, pretty much the same thing without the repeating action, and I gots me some quick loading fingers!
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RE: Shooting in Suburbia
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2008, 02:20:20 PM »
This one is suppose to be backyard friendly, so we'll see. I traded my Santa Rosa R7 for it, which I never did get used to shooting it. lop always seemed too short for me. and being 177, fat fingers had a hard time loading it. 22  are more finger friendly lol.

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RE: Shoot or Don't Shoot?
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2008, 08:30:32 PM »
This thread is one of the more disturbing ones that I've seen, given that some participants in it seem to have the attitude that the rule of law doesn't apply to them.

This kind of "lawless attitude" definitely doesn't do people like me -who would like to see fish and wildlife agencies throughout the USA adopt California's progressive stance in authorizing air rifles as a legitimate means of taking small, edible game- any favors.  What it does do is play into the sterotypes that many regulators already have about "adult airgun enthusiasts."  In the eyes of many of them, the words "adult" and "airgun" don't go together.  And by adopting the "yeah, I know the law says I can't, but to hell with it -I'll just do what I want to do, anyhow" stance, we prove that they are correct.

Kinda tough to bill ourselves as law abiding airgun owners when our participation in a thread like this involves commentary on circumventing law or how best to "get away with it."

Very mature, that is.  Soooooo adult.  And what a fabulous role model for youth!  On the one hand, it is hoped, we expect our youth to do what they're told at home, behave in school and abide by rules, and grow up into honorable, law-abiding adulthood.  On the other, we demonstrate how much value we really place in the rule of law when we publicly express methods for circumventing laws we don't happen to agree with or believe should apply to us as individuals.

The original poster's question has a really, really, simple answer.  If it is ILLEGAL to discharge an airgun in the jurisdiction where you live, DON'T SHOOT THERE.  PERIOD.

And no, I don't feel sorry for you if you have to travel a bit to shoot LEGALLY.  I've had to do the self same thing for the whole of my life.  I have to do that exact same thing now.

I was raised, for the most part, in metropolitain LA / Orange County, California, and I lived there most of my life.  There isn't a single municipality in either of those counties where shooting an airgun in your backyard is legal.  So I had to travel outside of the metro area to target shoot.  For me, the closest and best place to LEGALLY shoot involved a 125 mile one-way trip from my home in San Juan Capistrano, CA.

Now, I live in Tahlequah, Oklahoma where -surprise, surprise- it is illegal to discharge an airgun inside our fair city's corporate limits.  Outside of town, in rural Cherokee County, you can shoot whatever you want on your own land.  Since I don't own rural land here in Cherokee County, I have to do what I've always done to enjoy my shooting hobby legally -go to the nearest / best range or public land shooting area, where I can do my thing LEGALLY.  In my case, that is the public shooting area on the Cherokee Wildlife Management area just outside of Zeb, here in Cherokee County.  It's a nine mile drive from my home in Tahlequah and takes about 15 minutes of my time to get there.

If I couldn't go there, I'd go somewhere else.  And I'd drive as far as I needed to in order to do my thing the way I want to legally.  What I WOULD NOT DO is pretend that the Talequah shooting ordinance doesn't apply to me, and shoot in my own back yard knowing that doing so is illegal.

When airguns are legislated like firearms are in this country, it'll be easy for us to blame draconian lawmakers for a lack of knowledge and understanding.  It'll be harder for us to argue our case effectively if we display the kind of attitude about the rule of law that is found in this thread.  It'll probably be impossible for some of us to put the blame where it really belongs when that day happens.

And as long as we have "adult airgunners" on public forums, entering into public discussions about "getting away" with violations of discharge ordinances, entering into public discussions about killing animals outside of the privilaged authority of a hunting license, and so on, the question isn't "if" that day will come, but "when."

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Re: Shooting in Suburbia
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2008, 12:13:46 AM »

no offense, but that comes across more condescending than informative.


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Re: Shooting in Suburbia
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2008, 02:11:23 AM »


At the request of member Magnette his post in this thread has been deleted. As far as this topic/discussion goes I think we can all agree that a responsible person should of course strive to obey the laws that govern the locality in which they reside. That being said perhaps we should just move on to other topics and let this thread be ??



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Re: Offended, Yes... Condescending? That depends....
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2008, 10:00:37 AM »
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no offense, but that comes across more condescending than informative.



Well, so be it.  If you are NOT advocating violating discharge laws and ordinances on the basis that we airgunners can "get away with doing so" as a direct function of the relatively discreet nature of our hardware compared to firearms, then my participation in this thread quite obviously doesn't apply to you so there is no need for you to feel slighted.

On the other hand, if you ARE one of the participants who WAS offering advice on how to circumvent discharge ordinances, then I wouldn't be surprised to find that you view the comments I made as condesending.  If you have already made up your mind that discharge ordinances don't apply to you, I can see how you might not really want to see commentary to the contrary comming from another airgun enthusiast.

But in my view, the offense was already committed in the form of a few airgunners playing into the sterotype that paints "adult airgun enthusiasts" on the whole as EXACTLY the kind of folk who wantonly disregard discharge ordinances and hunting regulations because we can "get away with it."

So I recokon we're even.

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Re: And with this, I'll let it be and happily move on...
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2008, 10:04:58 AM »
We all SHOULD be able to agree to strive to obey the laws that govern the localities in which we reside.

Moving on....

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Re: Offended, Yes... Condescending? That depends....
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2008, 10:10:44 AM »
And so we move forward understanding that everyone should know there local airgun and hunting law's. Please take the time to know and understand them. So let's put this baby to rest and injoy our great forum. :) Thank's, Ed
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Re: Offended, Yes... Condescending? That depends....
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2008, 11:42:05 AM »


Well said Ed, glad to see we're "moving on".



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Re: Shooting in Suburbia
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2008, 11:53:17 AM »
I personally found it to be condescending and arrogant. I believe in obeying laws that are constitutional.
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RE: Shooting in Suburbia
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2008, 02:07:31 PM »
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Re: Shooting in Suburbia
« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2008, 04:55:25 PM »
Jerrold is right. He could have put it nicer terms but he is right. Anyone who feels that their constitutional rights are being stepped on by laws that regulate firearms or air guns has the constitutional right to challenge that law, but not the right to ignore it because it isn't convenient for them.