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Offline ribbonstone

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This one got a name...
« on: May 24, 2008, 04:09:24 PM »
..it's a silly name, but two shooters kind of named it: "giggle gun" (not a real manly-man name, is it?).

Reason being, on the first shot, one guy looks up and told me, "It's out of gas."  Chronograph had the expected reading, and I guess he didn't notice the hole in the target...rifle is just quiet enough that the internal "snap" of the hammer hitting the valve is louder than the shot.  Once I pointed out the hole in the target's black to him, and he shot a very good 25yard group, he started smiling...giggling even...the name stuck.

OK...we know the power mods.  Deburr, polish, transfer port, bolt probe, delrin valve stem, valve spring/hammer spring fiddling.  Did all that.

Then decided to make it my back yard gun.  After some experiments with lighter spring tension, found consistency and accuracy weren't real good.  Slow moving heavy weight hammer didn't seem to be "getting it" at speeds under 730fps.

 Took out the hammer and lathed it.  Ended up 1/3 lighter.  IDea being that a quick "smack" to the valve might open and close it QUICKER than a heavy weight punch.  This it seems to do.  Vel. dropped a little bit, but not a serious amount (and not as much as wanted..wanted it down in the high 600's).

Kept lightening the spring..swapped for an even lighter weight spring...once it got down to 700fps (.177/ 7.6gr. pellets) it became amazingly quiet.  Yeah, the muzzle "weight" has something to do with it, but the same "weight" was on it before the mods and it wasn't nearly as quiet. The number of good shots per fill increased drastically.


Don't think it's the path to max. vel.  It does seem to be the path to good consistency/accuracy at low speeds with large cshot counts.

Robert

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Re: This one got a name...
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2008, 04:13:49 PM »
Very nice Mr. Dean.  I'd giggle too!.  Looking at it makes me happy.

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RE: This one got a name...
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2008, 06:05:42 PM »


She sure is a beauty Dean,



I have wanted a setup like that for sometime now, I just keep buying other airguns first, maybe next one !



Do you have any trouble loading her, I have some BIG fingers, and am wondering about getting them in, under the scope, to load that baby ??



Anyway, great lookin shooter there !



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Re: This one got a name...
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2008, 07:46:04 PM »
Very nice Sir!

I have been playing around with a lightweight hammer setup on my TF79T on HPA also.  I have learned one thing with my setup, ........I have a long way to go:(

I have a lightweight hammer, lightweight hammer spring, lightweight valve return spring, and about 1000PSI of regulated HPA going through mine.  I have also done the other performance mods, delrin stem, probed bolt, ported, polished, etc.....  I think I need to get a heavier hammer spring and heavier valve return spring to match.  Right now I can tell I am getting alot of valve bounce, but I think with a tighter setup and the lightweight hammer I can get a faster snap and faster return....that's my theory anyways:)
Dan

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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2008, 01:31:54 AM »
Really not hard to load under a scope.  It reminds me of how Coke cans use to come out of machines;  angle the gun to the side a bit and you just kind of sideways roll the pellet in.  That rifle has the scope tube pretty high (to clear that big ojective) so there is more room than it seems.
Robert

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Going for speed.
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2008, 01:42:02 AM »
Air just flows better/quicker, so that valve might need to say open a bit longer to get full benefit of 1000PSI air. A little heavier hammer or a heavier spring?  Would be nice if they could be easily fitted with an external spring adjuster, but to do that would have to convert to cock-on-opening.

Have noticed some of the PCP conversions have a side cocking mod (seperate knob to cock the hammer, the bolt just loads the pellet).  Suspect the strength of the hammer spring used on those has a lot more to do with that side-cock conversion than just "style".
Robert

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RE: Going for speed.
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2008, 03:21:35 AM »
The seperate cocking lever is exactly what you think. They are on all the bigbore guns using a QB/Crosman style breech tube setup. Nice looking setup you have there I may pick one up in .177. Had one in .22 sold the stock off of it I think Big Bill has it now don't remember. :)
Jason
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Basic stock.
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2008, 03:43:22 AM »
Refinished and strippled. Added an adjustable butt.

Older rifle, but I saw the new  extended type at Archers site. That scope has a lot of eye relief and I wanted the stock to be about 1" longer.  Rather than change stocks, cut two 1" lengths of PVC pipe..painted them balck...filled the PVC spacers with epoxy putty...remounted the butt plate with longer screws running through the  epoxy filled spacers.

Thought about the side-cock as a way to make room for an adjustable hammer..may go ahead and do that, but would probably go for the old style "two sear" hammer type, to allow two choices in power. (Well...make that a three step hammer...one step would just barely get the hammer off the valve for charging, then a low and high power sear).
Robert