Anyone interested in stocks for the Disco?

[TimN]

I have been carving stocks for the QB's, but there seems to be more interest in the Disco as of late.

Anyone interested in a custom stock for their gun?  You may have seen my pics of the QB stocks on the main forum.  These would look similar or I can carve whatever you want.  Price would be around $200.00, depending on complexity and wood choice.

If there is an interest, I might see if Don Main, the guy who cuts and inlets the blanks, will get a Disco to use as a template.  Right now he does not have one so anything other than QB's have been done on a one off basis as people send him their guns to cut and inlet.

If there is enough interest we would buy one to produce Discovery stocks on a regular basis.

Let me know what you think.

TimN

[Gene_SC]

I think it is a great idea Tim. If this works out for you I can put you in the GTA Mall.  Let me know how things fair for you and make sure you keep me informed via PM or Email.


Gene

[melloroadman]

Tim I have a interest possible in a different stock for a Discovery . But Crosman may and note I said may have a different stock out shortly as well that you might want to be aware of before you invest a lot of money . If I am shooting my self in the foot so be it. I will include a picture of it here for you . It is different than your stocks and the price if it arrives is un Known . The butt  of the stock is adjustable as most target stocks are with a metal shaft and butt pad .  Please keep us posted as to what you are going to do .Marvin
http://www.network54.com/Forum/581291/message/1212187281/A+taste+of+whats+to+come

[TimN]

Thanks for the heads up.  I already have the woodworking tools.  It would just be most likely a split in the cost of a gun to get started.  My stocks would not be target oriented like these.  Most dsigns would be like the ones I have posted on the general forum.  But I have the ability to carve the stocks however the customer wants.  

Just wanted to know if there was more of a demand than there seems to be for the QB's.  I have four with custom stocks.  Two were custom guns from Roy Weid.  So they are not the sub $90.00 guns that some think are not worth $200.00 stocks.

The Discovery seems like it would justify putting a nice piece of wood on it.

TimN

[TimN]

Thanks Gene.

I certainly will keep you posted.  I am just trying to keep busy carving.  I really like it, but if the stocks don't sell then I can't carve more......LOL!

Thought the Disco might be a good candidate for a nice stock.

TimN

[melloroadman]

Tim I hear what you are saying . A lot of people are complaining about the short stock on the Discovery so It might go well for you. Do you ever sell unfinished stocks that would need only a light sanding and staining. And if so about what would the cost be. Marvin

[TimN]

I could do that.  The problem is it would not be much of a price savings.  The main cost is the blank from Don.  They run $125.00 to $150.00.  So after putting on a recoil pad, $10.99 at Archer Airguns, my profit is $64.01.  Based on a $225.00 and $200.00 finished price.  That is for my labor to carve and finish.  If I don't do the final sanding and finishing and I reduce the price, what is my profit?  $30 or $40?  At some point it is not worth it.  

If Don reduces his price to me, then I can reduce the final price.

Another point is that some light sanding is a bit of a misnomer.  You need to sand until there are no imperfections, period.  Anything except a mirror surface will show up after the finish is applied.  Even those marks you don't see.

So it takes a bit of time with a finish sander and then by hand to get it to that point.

I could do the basic sanding, leaving the painstaking final sanding for the customer.

But based on Don's cost, the final price would only go down by about $20.00, leaving me a profit of $44.01..........not exactly getting rich, LOL

First I need to get an idea if there is a demand, then get a gun to Don so that he can cut and inlet the blanks.

TimN

[melloroadman]

I understand . I just need things to do as well from time to time and like the filling that I personal had something to do with the rifle I use. I guess that's why I buy Crosmans .  Marvin

[Dave CAG]

 

Hi Tim

Can you make the poplar with the walnut tip ambidextrous?
we are interested we will show case it in our showroom with your name and number

And a Disco we think would be great we will take one and do the same as the QB
each being poplar with the walnut tip ambidextrous. (We will shipa Discoto Don)

Your work is top-notch you need to find the right rifles the Disco we think would
be a could start but stay with the hunter the Disco will not cut it as a target rifle
unless the rework the hole rifle.

We know if you stick with it people will be in our showroom
and say wow is that an early Tim Null Stock I want one but he is book up for a year



Dave CAG

L.I.F.T. : Long Island Field Target
Web site: Cobra Air Guns
http://www.airgunsbbguns.com/


Each Air Gun should have a purpose it is not all about velocity or power its
about walking away after a day of shooting,Smiling looking down and saying
"God I Love this rifle"

[TimN]

Hi Dave,

I just read the part about shipping a Disco to Don.  That is what I sort of suggested on my PM, so you are a step ahead of me....LOL

As soon as he can cut and inlet a blank, I can then carve the stock.

You want 1 ambi QB with walnut tip and 1 ambi Disco with ambi tip, correct?

TimN

[TimN]

Typo, not an ambi tip, just a walnut tip.

[PALTIK]

If demand increases, the price should probably drop from Don 'coz it would be more of like a just doing it over and over again.
The hard part is yours Tim, 'coz you do the carving. That is what people should pay for and not for the blanks. They are paying fo the talent and your creativeness.
What you do is an art and  I think that doing something less than your quality (liike seling stocks unfinished) would be a dent to your name and talent.
I think that quality should be dictated by you and that should keep your name untarnished or recognized.
Anyway, this is just my 2 cents 'coz I am also an artist and I think that actually talent and creativity is priceless.
It is something that can never be taught or learned..but can be honed if you already have it. :-)

[melloroadman]

I am sorry that I have no income and have to watch my spending. If you take the time to realize I ask the man for no favors . And further more I told him I under stood. Also I explained why I wanted to stain it my self . IMO I am sorry you are a artist with no understanding of life around you and care not what so ever about another human being. Marvin

[TimN]

I took no offense in the request, it was reasonable to me.  It is just the economics like I said.  Since the blanks cost a certain amount, there is not much room to reduce the price even without all of the finishing.

I run a consulting business that does pretty well, so I am not doing this to get rich.  I like carving and want to continue.  I also like to see others use the stocks I carve.  But I can't take a loss in doing it, I need to at least pay for this part of my hobby.

I would do one unfinished for you, but with the small amount of price break it would make more sense for me to finish it for you.

TimN

[PALTIK]

Sorry Marvin, I didn't mean it to sound that way. I didn't intend to hurt anyones' feelings.
What I was just saying was if that is the quality of work that Tim produces and it can be read from his response about how he finishes them like a glass like sanding, I understood where he was coming from. At least I think he was saying that he couldn't lower his quality..'coz making the stocks looking the way is his craft.
It's something like asking for example Teoben or Air Arms to produce a not so par rifle so that we can have a cheap version of their rifles that we can improve upon ourselves.
Again, sorry.