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Whoo-hoo...this thing is fast!
« on: June 10, 2008, 10:41:33 AM »
Got that mountain Arms .25cal QB78D today...think I'm going to have to buy a taller gun safe.   Think I have a new squirrel rifle.

TO BE FAIR...Roy had nothing to do with that ugly appendage that's hanging off the barrel...that bit of ugliness is all on-me.  I wanted something detachable (a i really don't care how loud it is when I'm out in the woods).


Just opened the box, gave it the once-over, ran a patch though the bore, mounted a scope, and hooked it to a remote CO2 line (didn't want to bother with bulk filling while sighting in).  had a nice stash of .25's (which is what made me decide to get a rifle to shoot them) and started testing.


First off....23 foot pounds of energy is a bunch.  The rifle followed an easy to spot trend: the heavier the pellet, the higher the energy.  Shoots will with light weights, just earns a bit less energy.

Vel. figures:
Diana Rastatt (pretty much identical to Mosquitos)  - 19.4gr. - 671fps -19.4FPE+
Buckshot - 23.3gr. - 603fps - 18.8 FPE+
Ram Jet - 24.2gr. - 603fps -19.5 FPE+
Spitz Kugeln - 25.1gr. - 601fps -20.1FPE+
Crow Mag. - 26.2gr. - 596fps -20.7 FPE+
Ram point - 27.1gr. - 594fps -21.2 FPE+
Kodiak - 30.7gr. - 584fps - 23.2 FPE+

Yes..it's a gas hog. Haven't figured out it's consumption per shot...going to be something like 1.1 - 1.3gr. per shot I'd guess, so it's really guzzling co2.

But once sighted in, even though I only had 20yards to work with, it looks like this rifle wants to group.  The round ball is about done at 20yards, suspect from there on the groups are going to get wild (but at short range, that round ball will work and it's cheap).  Here are three groups shot just before i put everything away (going out to eat tonight).





Robert

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Re: Whoo-hoo...this thing is fast!
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2008, 03:19:04 PM »
That ought to knock the snot out of the tree rats. I've been wanting a .25 or .30 cal QB78 for squirrel and rabbit hunting but in my home state, I can only use .22 cal and smaller air guns for small game hunting.
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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2008, 08:07:51 AM »
Whent ahead and converted it to paintball tanks...a long tubed 79.  Even the little 3.5oz. tanks should let me get 70-80 shots.

Robert

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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2008, 12:10:23 AM »
That's a real thumper you have there Rib :) I have noticed that the QB78's seem to thrive on heavier pellets and more CO2.
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Alan
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2008, 10:05:28 AM »
You said it, with the long barrel, the bottle attached to the front doesn't look awkward and just make it like a loooong QB-79!
Looks good!
Gerry

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Re: Whoo-hoo...this thing is fast!
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2008, 09:43:10 AM »
WHat adaptor is that to go from tube threads to paintball? I've been looking for something like that and haven't found exactly what I'm looking for. Nice looking setup btw.

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Re: Whoo-hoo...this thing is fast!
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2008, 01:24:22 PM »
Standard QB79 gas block. Archer sells the part.

Rather than change it all out to a QB79 tube, converted the longer QB78 tube that came with the rifle.

It's a bigger job that it seems. Need to start with a bare-empty gas tube and will need to DETAIL clean after the metal work (even one stray bit of metal grit can ruin your valve seal).

1. Cut the 78 gas tube back about 1.9" (2" will work just as well).  This will remove the threaded part and enough of the gas tube that the 79 gas block ends up about flush with the stock.  (Needs to be cut even..smoothed,,,and a smooth bevel put on the inside edge).

2. CAREFULLY measure and drill for the mounting screws.  Get this wrong and you're screwed, so be sure it's the right spot.  One "trick" is to cut shims from a Coke can, tape them to the gas block...punch holes exactly over the holes in the gas block's screw holes.  When you slip it into the tube, the shims will be outside the tube and you can spot punch your holes through the shims.  MAke dead sure the gas block is LEVEL before you drill (cock-eyed would still work, just look stupid).

3. Take it apart, smooth the rough edge where your two screw holes were drilled, clean it  (and clean it again).

4. Can put the metal work back together again  as we're done with mounting the gas tube.  Really helps to use a bit of Silicon grease on the gas block's o-rings. (HINT: the issue 78 barrel band  will NOT go over the gas block, so it has to be put on first).

5. Inlet the stock for the gas tube.  This is a job you cannot hurry.  I'll rough it out with various Dremel cutters, switching to little burrs  and a small wood chisel for the final corners.  You just keep fitting...spotting the high spots...sanding/burring them down, until it fits into the stock.  YOU WILL HAVE TO INLET the BARREL band as well.  I didn't use a 79 band, used the 78D's band, just mounted behind the gas block.  Got it about deep enough when a little of the gas block mounting screws have to be inletted into the side of the stock.

6. Measure and drill the stock for the stock screws.  These are pretty common size screws, many scope rings use this size (so if you have a dead ring or two, give the screws a try).  Again, really need to be EXACTING.  I'll inlet a larger opening and use brass washers for the screws to go through (the stock is thinner than a 79's, so there is less wood between the screw head and the gas block, which makes a washer a must to strengthen the stock).

7. Glass bed the gas block to the newly inleted stock.  This adds strength and support (but be dead sure you've used a good release agent or you'll never get it apart).  Use the gunsmithing stock bedding compounds...can color them brown to match teh stock as my inletting skills are all that great.


Here you can still see a pencil line i put n the gas block sfor a meaasureing point (to get the stock screws in the right place):


First one was a converted 78 in .22.  Only difference is that I used two plastic barrel bands.  Can get and idea of the differnce in stocking from this picture (have to say, for me, being able to grab wood rather than gas-bottle makes the conversion worth doing).



Robert

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Re: Whoo-hoo...this thing is fast!
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2008, 11:17:43 PM »
Thanks for the info. Not sure I want to tackle that big of a mod. Looking at the 79 gas block and the bulk fill adaptor has me wondering if I could combine the two. Cutting a groove above the orings for a retainer ring would do the trick, just not sure there is enough room there. I might get the parts and see. Finish it off with a 79 barrel band for support. Might leave things sticking out too far but I guess it won't hurt to try. Thanks again for the info. If there are any major flaws in my idea please oint them out.

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Re: Whoo-hoo...this thing is fast!
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2008, 03:39:46 AM »
People have adaptedthe 79 gas block for use on Crosman's, so evidently having the gas block hanging out in the air does work.  My way is permanent ans if glass bedded, distributes the stess of the tank weight.

Depends on what you want to do.  Have used the set up pictured, with that on/off valve, to bulk fill.  Can turn the on/off to "on", screw on the tank, turn the on/off to "off" and unsrew the tank.
Robert