Please Help, Trying to narrow down an accuracy problem.

[davee1]

Arathol. Hey man...you left out the part where I said to make sure that the gun is uncocked and unloaded. If you can be sure of that then I dont think it is stupid. If you cant be sure of it then dont do it. It *certainly* would be STUPID to put a loaded/cocked gun in your mouth.

[arathol]

Do you know how many people get shot every year  by a gun thats not loaded?  How old are you, and do you know anything at all about basic gun safety?

[davee1]

Pipe down there fella

I'm still alive at 50 and have no problem telling when my airguns are uncocked and unloaded.

Happy 4th!!!

[davee1]

That the tissue test will show a leak on top but not on the bottom of the breech. Best way I guess, for those who take offense at mouth to the muzzel method is to use a chrony.

Take an intial baseline reading, then replace the breechseal and chrony again, and see if theres an improvement. Then start shimming and chrony again, looking for improvement. Seals and shimming are easily reversable if one is not satisfied with the results. In my guns, 90% show an improvement with breech seal shimming.

[Progun]

Hello Scott and Welcome Aboard, You've got a lot of good advice here but first things first. There will be absoulutely be no way to know what your possible problem is UNTIL...You stop that scope mount creep issue.Your gun could be capable of lights out shooting with any of the pellets you have tried but you will never know it  if your gun is not pointing to the same place with every shot.Solve that problem 1st.Then proceed with all the other suggestions you have read here.Good luck.

[gunsup0331]

arathol - 7/4/2008  12:38 PM

Do you know how many people get shot every year  by a gun thats not loaded?  How old are you, and do you know anything at all about basic gun safety?

 Do you refuse to cross the street because a car might hit you?

Hopefully this thread doesnt get any further Jacked.
" How old are you?"  This is one of the stupidest ignorant retort/query I have ever seen (on forums especially).

 Just because youre old doesnt mean you know *_*_*_*_*_*.  Just because youre young doesnt mean youre stupid.
Jeesus grow some respect.

[Timmyj1959@yahoo.com]

If I may jump in here,, As an ex Firearms instructor,, valid points are being brought up here.Yes Dave, (airathol) you are correct,, many are killed by "unloaded" guns every year for shure. Yes it seems CRAZY to blow into the end of an airgun,, I agree,, however,, at 49 years old with a "fair" amount of time around guns,, I do it all the time!!!! It has proven to me to be a very simple & effective way to check breach seals. Of course it can also be an indicator of a bad piston seal as well. It is pretty simple to be 100% shure that a spring piston gun stands NO chance of being loaded. Dont try this at home!!LOL!! Tim.

[davee1]

good to know I'm not alone in the muzzleblowing category

[Timmyj1959@yahoo.com]

I must add,, when I perform this seemingly "Crazy" test: I cock, load, & fire the gun, taking note that my pellet has hit its mark. I put the safety on, & perform the test. At NO TIME will I put the gun down for any reason during the test, risking it may be loaded when I resume. (Pretty unlikely the spring will compress itself while I am blowing into the Brl.) I learned this test from someone that I have the VERY MOST respect for. Yes it goes against everything we have ever been taught about gun safety I know. Has anyone here ever looked in a brl. & seen the rifling grooves? Well,,, now what in the world were you thinking!!!!! Tim.

[arathol]

As a firearms instructor you should be not be condoning this action, rather you should be berating those who are defending the statement that it is safe. You don't stick a gun in your mouth no matter what it is, period. It sets a bad example to all who read here, members or not. Sticking a gun in your mouth is stupid, defending the statement that it is a safe practice is even more so. There are safe methods of determining whether or not a seal is damaged or leaking.
Yeah, I"ve looked at the rifling, but not from the muzzle end.  thats what bore lights and mirrors are for.

[Splash]

Can't we all just get along.LOL There are many ways, to do many things, but it won't matter if the seal is missing, 'cause until the scope creep is fixed, it's gonna shoot, wherever anyhow. On 12/24/06 a guy that I grew up with, his 6yr old son was shot and killed, with an UNloaded Benji 392. So everyone PLEASE BE CAREFUL, in whatever you decide to do. TIA

[davee1]

Dude...here at GTA we strive not to get personal. Your comments are getting personal. We like our peace and quiet here. I think you have made your point already, so why dont you just leave it alone now?

[3n00n]

Spring vibrations do not help withgood groups.Plenty of solutions to riddingexcessive vibration if need be, and many of thosesolutionscan be foundin the GTAlibrary. Tinkering somewith action, piston and spring may alsoprovide'reasons' for larger thandesired group size.Then of course, alot of great folks here willing toassist 'jest cuz they can' which doeshelp when funds are limited.

Keep us updated {plus take some pictures}what you'll find is plenty of GTA family looking out for youand a very happy bbgun.

[Timmyj1959@yahoo.com]

Ok,, Reading back over this,, & the gut feeling I had while typing my posts,, I was wrong for shure to make these posts. Sometimes those of us that have worked on guns for decades do things that we would NEVER recomend to others. To any of the moderators that may be here now,, please remove my posts pertaining to this thread. Im sorry,, Tim.

[3n00n]

Got alot of friends here, and definately want them to be safe from harm. Always a good thing to stay vigilant with all gun safety, and best to alwaysbe as safe aspossible.

Certainly want all of my friends to be aroundhere as long as they comfortably can be.Thanks to the guysreminding me to bemore watchful of my own 'less than safe' practices, and thanks to the GTA family for understanding thatI want ya'll to be safe as ya feasiblycan be too.