Is the FALCON a TURKEY ??

[Plinkmaster]

My Buddy got the Walther Falcon in .25 cal. He got Beeman Silver ace and  Crow Magnum pellets. We were not able to get good groups with either of these pellets.Even at 15 yds. could not get less than 2 inch groups of 4 shots. Even after 200 pellets, didn't seem to get better. Has anyone had good accuracy with this gun in 25 cal. and what pellets worked well in it ?

[JOHNNY QUEST]

everything I have read about the .25 cal. in any gun has been a poor performer..  But im just reading about them and not testing myself.
  I was looking for a good varmit weapon and .25 sounded good just because it was bigger.. But after many reviews and a lot of internet searching.. [ which is how i found this place ]  I decided on .22 caliber for speed and acuracy...
 Randall

[ribbonstone]

Without the reasoning behind it:
Get off the rest, support the gun only with your hands and your arms supported at the elbows. Vary the strength of your hold as not all strong springers like a soft hold.  Went from hopeless to 1/2"-1" at 25yards.

Reasoning:
There is a whole lot going on between trigger pull and pellet exiting the barrel, a really strong spring...heavy piston...and a light rifle. Best way to get it to shoot well is to use your body mass as a damper.

Not a confirmed springer guy, but got to shoot one (in .25).  Guy was fustrated, couldn't get decenet groups from a rest no matter how he tried...soft rest, hard rest, gel rest...just wasn't happening for him.  Wasn't happening for me either. Checked all the usual suspects (scope, rings, bedding screws, barrel pivot, breech seal, etc.)..still wasn't shooting worth snot.

Got off the bench, started shooting from cross-leg sitting...groups got a lot better.  Tried my favorite lazy way of shooting: cross legged sitting in a lawn cahir (can support your leg on the chair's arm...left elbow on leg, right elbow on the other arm of the chair).  Made more than a few 1/2" 25yard groups using  Mosquitos and Ram Points.  Rifle didn't seem to care for Ram jets and Kodiaks might be a bit too heavy for it.

[Scottdog]

I'll work on my pics later.As I pointed out in my post the seal has a small chunk out of the leading edge of the seal.Maybe the one you shot has a larger chunk out of it.Mine groups pretty good.But is hold sensitive.

[Progun]

Plinkmaster, you might also talk with Joe Cuz. I understand he has the .25 cal and speaks well of it. Ribbonstone's idea about changing your hold is worth consideration. You didn't say how you were resting the gun.Some guns just won't group well at all off the bench with more than a short single bag nestled close to the trigger guard and the forearm lightly supported with the off hand just in front of the short bag. Some scopes will also make you think your rifle is cursed.I wish you luck as you work this out.

[airgun/cuz]

By far the best of the new HATSAN products,I use 31gr KODIAKS,20.06 gr FTS,26.2gr CROW MAGS,25.12 gr SILVER STING & I'll hit shot-gun shells at 40yds with no problem,the gun takes a little getting use to but when you learn the gun, it is very accurate,my gun is awesome........maybe the stock screws are loose!

	JOE CUZ/AKITA BREEDER Any fool can learn from his own mistakes It takes a wise man to learn from the mistakes others!
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[Timmyj1959@yahoo.com]

I hear the 22 version acually has more Ft Lbs. ?? Accuracy,, MAGNUM springers,, Best get your "Tecnieck" on!! Just Funnin,, have not shot one yet,, had my hands on one though at my local gun shop. Guess Im gonna have to "Go out back" & test one. Just did that recently,,, fell in love with the Gamo Whisper,, other than the "Spanish Spring TWANG"!! QUIET GUN!! Falcon a Turkey??  I cant say. I have not shot one yet. However,, I doubt its gonna be shooting 10 meter comp. Why I make a post with no first hand info is beond me,, sorry.  Tim.

[daveshoot]

I posted some group pix and chrony results on the .22, new out of the box, a short while ago: http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=9622&posts=9&highlight=walther&highlightmode=1#M71515

I don't think it is in the turkey league, at all.

[TexasShooter72]

I've had the Falcon in .22 so my two cents may not be worth much.  The key word here is Falcon H-U-N-T-E-R.  It's not a plinker and your groups are gonna be terrible due to its kick and power.  With the .22 I was getting groups in the two-inch range and that's about the best I could get out of her.  Mine liked the Beeman CrowMags.  I've since sold it for reason of it being too much gun for what I need around here.  As for the Falcon being a "turkey"...   the answer is YES!  It IS a turkish made gun!

Matt

[RatPatrol]

I've experienced similar frustrations with my .25 Falcon Hunter, but have found that mine's very accurate with Ramjets and a very tight hold versus an artillery hold.
Give it a try.
 

Frank

[Plinkmaster]

Thanks Guys, I knew I could get some good info from all You GREAT Guys

[erskine]

No, it is not a turkey but it will require some "cooking" to get it shooting well.

The trigger on mine is very bad.  It has an exceptionally long pull and feels a bit like a bit of gravel being dragged across a cheese grater.  This can be improved with the addition of a longer adjustment screw and a bit of patience.  A few hundred shots won't hurt either.

Mine positively hates "perfect rounds" which are neither perfect, nor round.  Mine seems to like very heavy pellets and Silver Aces.

The scope takes a real beating on this one.  Don't let anyone with a Dianna side cocker tell you how bad his rifle treats his scopes.  'cause this beastie will loosen the fillings in your teath.

The Falcon is not a turkey, but it is not a rifle that should be expected to shoot well out of the box.

You will have to spend time on this one.

I have not had any first hand experience with this model, but have recently sorted a Hatsan 125 for its young owner. Most of the same principles hold true for Hatsan made air rifles. The only thing I encountered that threw me for a few days was the left hand threads on the stock screws, differing from earlier models. Unlikely to come loose, but check them in case as mentioned in a previous post.

From new, the areas to check out of the box are:

.....the breech pivot after a couple hundred shots thay can exhibit slop as the shims bed in, they can "push"out any lube inserted in the factory. Tighten it while barrel broken but not cocked.

.....The trigger, which might need to be lightened. Its a bit of work but there are guides around on the net on how to do it. Care and patience required. Can be done after checking the other two areas first, or left to wear in eventually. Grittiness can be smoothed away with a bit of polish on the mating surfaces, but trigger weight is a function of the sear angles, not the spring strengths. Sear angles should only be altered if you know what you are doing though, or are really committed to seeing the job through to safe and properly finished (eg, absolutely sharp sear angles/correct geometry, highly polished mating surfaces).

......Bore. EVERY Hatsan I have had through my hands had benefited from a bore lap/polish. It follows the principle that the faster you can exit a pellet from the bore, the less effect the springer jerk can have on your accuracy/precision. Refer to Charlies guide on firelapping in the library section. (excellent resource) Also new Hatsans tend to have factory shipping gunk in the barrelwhich really should be cleaned out as soon as you buy them.

......Pellet weights, are important. A .22 will generate more energy than a .25 with a springer undoubtedly. Try a light .25 cal pellet such as a webley mosquito. A heavy .25 pellet will take longer to exit and suffer from the mechanical backlash inherent in the action. The .25 should not be any different internally than a .22 springer. So why the recoil/jerk difference?......more lead mass to push, thats why.....go lighter and faster as an experiment.

Ok as I said I have not tried the .25 versions, so ignore me if you like...lol.

cheers

GS

Just read about the tune done on the Falcon Hunter in a previous post. Was unaware of the pivot pin difference between this and the Hatsan 125. You lean something new every day, and the GTA is the place to learn about it!!!

Cheers guys

GS