mother in law gun???

[CHUCKMATLOCK]

My mother in law in her 70's would like a gun to take care of varmits in her garden. She is not much for being able to cock a beast of a springer and a pump is too repetitive. I would like to get her one for christmas but don't wnat to spend and arm and a leg. she would be shooting inside 40 yards. Any suggestions?

QB-78

It is light. It shoots good out of the box.

You can get it for about $100.00 delivered to your door from Mikeiniowa, AKA: Flying Dragon Air Guns.

Your wife's mother should be worth that. She puts up with you doesn't she?

[vinceb]

Can she cock a Shadow or a Quest? A Quest runs about $85, and the Shadow is (still) $125 at Walmarts that carry them. I don't know of any others in that power range that cock as easily.

The B20/B26 is actually harder to cock than the Shadow/Quest, and slightly less powerful, so that's probably out.

In a lower powered break-barrel, there's the 600fps (rated) Crosman 795 - should be an easy cocker, but it might be a little weak for what she wants. I've got no experience with this rifle. Probably in the same league - might be a little more powerful - is the Gamo Shadow 640. It advertises about 640fps, and is lighter and easier to cock than a Shadow 1000.

In CO2 there's the QB78 that another poster mentioned... but the Crosman 1077 is a repeater, and the Crosman 2260 is advertised as 600fps - in .22.

just cock it and go...you might have to show her how to put in the co2 ...

It is light and you could put a scope on it for a little more money.

Ive seen them go for $75.00 at Archer Airguns.

BUt thats befor service and shipping.

have fun and be safe

OhI should have told you that its  Archerairguns.com

[vinceb]

The Fast Deer in .177 isn't a bad gun - mine shoots 630's with CPL's, and my 7-year-old girl can cock it. I suspect it'll out-power the CO2 guns mentioned, without the chance of wasting CO2 cartridges if the gun sits for a while and it doesn't hold gas perfectly.

As a matter of fact, I might be getting rid of mine. It's been cleaned, relubed, and is a smooth cocker and a fairly accurate gun. Email me if interested...

vfblovesnancy@yahoo.com

Fast Deer and QB78 aren't even the same class. That is like saying a Chevy Metro is as nice as a Caddy. No way. The factors don't even think so. Read the specks!

[vinceb]

And remember that the original poster didn't ask for something particularly nice. He asked for something fairly inexpensive that the mother-in-law could handle and that could dispatch pests at moderate yardage.

For that, all that is needed is sufficient power and accuracy. Everything I've seen indicates that a KL-3B is comparable to a standard QB78 in power, and accuracy should easily be good enough for the intended use.

In addiiton, CO2 guns are not always the best for sporadic use... especially if they don't hold gas perfectly. A springer, on the other hand, can sit for a year and be instantly ready to go with a quick cock and load. There are no worries about C02 cartridges that might now be empty...  or low enough to ruin the shot and spook the intended target.

Sometimes a Geo Metro is preferable to a Caddy, otherwise nobody would ever drive a Metro. It all depends on what they need.

Yes, you are right as far as you go. The seals of both can leak. The leather can dry out or crack on a springer.

The Fast Deer is a great gun for the money. It is about 50% heaverer than the QB. Could the older woman hold it steady. It is also about 2" father to the trigger. Can her arms strech that far?

There is a lot to consiter beside price.

You suggest what you will and so will I. We are both right the way we see it.

I have an old Cossman that has never had new seals. It still shoots. I have an old Commings that has never been takencare of, never cleaned or oiled. It still shoots. So?

We could kick this around for ever. It is all just our choices. That isn't what counts is it?

[vinceb]

...we really need to supply the most accurate information we can.

xisicousa.com has specs and pictures on both the QB78 and the Fast Deer. From these two listings it appears that the FD is about 1lb heavier than the QB, not almost 3 lbs. Also, if you scale the pictures (the overall length of the rifles is about the same) and put them side-by-side, it looks like the FD actually has the shorter reach to the trigger, as measured from the buttplate. Grip-to-trigger distance looks comparable.

The FD can have a much stiffer trigger, but that varies. My wife's was nice and light, mine was heavy before reworking it a little.

I have them both.

The QB is 13.5 from but to trigger. The FD is 15. Put 2 full CO 2's in theQB and there is 2 lbs difference.. Trigger pull is 1 lb on the QB, 3+ on the FD. Actual FPS on FD is 530 on the QB it is 600 in .22 cal. This is stock guns on my bench today. Tomorrow who knows.

This is all I can tell you. As I have said befor. This is what I know I have them pluss others.

See what asking opinion gets like.
Tell all of us what you buy after Xmas.

[vinceb]

Published specs (especially for Chinese guns) need to be taken witha  grain of salt... it's always good to hear real info.

BTW - if your FD is doing 530 in .22, that's the healthiest one I've seen. A lot of them don't go much past 400...

Its small light and accurate. also inexpensive. Its really hard to beat. And thats without customizing.

[DanoInTx]

....she could just beat the living daylights out of those varmints.  I've yet to meet an old lady that couldn't thwack things with a cane, surely the broom handle would be accurate enough....no?

My bet would be on a Mike Melick tuned QB-78.  Lightweight, not too hard to cock, get it in .22 easy to see pellets, and powerful enough to get rid of any bird, rabbit, or pretty much anything under 10 pounds at about 10-20 yards+.

http://www.airgunartisans.com/flyingdragon/

check him out:)

btw: I have a fast Deer with a home tune which shoots a whole lot better than when I took it out of the box, but it doesn't even hold a candle to my two QB's, definately heavier, definately much worse trigger, definately less power.  My 9 year old can cock the Fast Deer, but he has to work at it a bit, and by the third or fourth shot he's done.  The QB78 he can pretty much shoot alll day long, except for my AR2078 with custom stock which weighs quite a bit more than a stock QB.

just my $0.02

Dan

Guess I was just lucky. All I have done is clean it.

O' by the way I size all my pellet skirts. The are just like lady's shirts when I get the. The really vary on shape and size.

Charles is good. I trust what he says. It is the Chinese that very all over the place.

If you don't believe that buy some Industrial pellets and pore them out on a peace of paper. You won't find two that look the same. It is called lack of QC.

But for the price they are good. Spend 2 or 3 times more and you can get better. That is if you didn't get the good one that made it out of China. At present we are there dumping ground.