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Offline kcurrie

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Talon SS to 9mm?
« on: September 18, 2008, 08:30:12 AM »




I'm itching to get a Talon SS (in .22) and as I'd also like to try some hog hunting I was wondering what it takes to upgrade one to 9mm. Who makes the barrels, parts etc? I'm assuming the moderator on the SS will have to come off for 9mm use. What's all involved with the 9mm conversion?  One you flip to 9mm is it just a barrel change to go back to .22 for general use?



I'm close to going to the dark side-- any help getting over there would be appreciated! :-)





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RE: Talon SS to 9mm?
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2008, 02:01:52 PM »
Hog hunting?  You don't want the Talon SS, you want the Condor, with some serious mods above and beyond the OEM setup.

With all due respect to the folks here, you may want to go to talonairgun.com.  They'll  tell you whether 9mm is possible, and you'll maybe even find someone to manufacture the parts for you.

Mod, not trying to rock the boat, just trying to point this guy in the right direction for what he's looking for...

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RE: Talon SS to 9mm?
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2008, 02:03:39 PM »
TALON TUNES! He will have all your answers.
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Re: Talon SS to 9mm?
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2008, 02:08:48 PM »


Get a Draggon Slayer for hogs....:) Or you will be runnin for the trees... hehe



http://www.americanairgunhunter.com/dragonslayer.html



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RE: Talon SS to 9mm?
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2008, 02:21:12 PM »




I'm aware of talontunes and did some searching on there before posting, however I may not have searched enough because while I heard mention of people with 9mm Air Force guns I didn't see who sold them.



My understanding of the Condor and Talon series is that they are essentially the same except for some valves, hammer springs and when there is a caliber change, the barrel.



80% of the time I want the quiet moderated barrel of the SS, however I'm not totally against swapping the barrel and whatever is necessary to bring it up to 9mm or so for some hog hunting.  Yes, I thought of the Dragonslayer and other bigbores however I want to *attempt* to minimize the number of airguns I buy in the future :-)





I will repost my Q's to Talontune as well.





Thanks for the replies.



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Crosman 2240/ 2250 / 1377c / 1077 / 781
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Beeman P17 / Beretta PX4 Storm .177 (and 9mm)
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Offline 3n00n

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Condor 9mm would mainly involve barrel & hammer swap.
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2008, 06:50:46 PM »
I'll have to agree that the Condor high flowvalve is the better route for higher power.
I however, have seenvideo of a 400+fpe .458"cal condor, but it had a highly modified valve and only got a few shots on a fill.

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Re: Talon SS to 9mm?
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2008, 08:38:28 AM »
Remember air guns are cheaper and easier to get than replacement human body parts. Marvin

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RE: Talon SS to 9mm?
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2008, 09:35:31 AM »


http://www.impactairgun.com/hoghunt6.cfm



.25 caliber Condor--BTW the SS will not cut it in my opinion. You will need the longer barrels and Condor valve to get the FPE. Dave in Washington might chime in here. I don't know if Kevin Impact Air Gun has .25 but you can get what you need at Air HOg.

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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2008, 01:30:51 PM »
I don't care what anyone says, an air gun is NOT suitable for hunting hogs IMO.  Those are some mean, tough critters, and I've seen a thoroughly PO'd wild boar shrug off multiple hits from a 30-30 and still keep coming.  I suppose I'm with Gene, if you just have to hunt them with an air gun, then a true big bore would be the way to go, and then I'd want someone standing by with a .300 Win Mag for back up, or maybe a 12 ga. loaded with magnum slugs.  I know, lots of guys do it, but just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD.  Just my opinion, so take it for whatever you think it's worth.  BTW,  even a Dragon Slayer looks pretty anemic compared to powder burners, at about 200 fpe, it barely beats out the .22 LR, doesn't if you're using the hyper velocity ones.  Something to think about, would you hunt hogs with a .22?  Later.

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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2008, 01:41:25 PM »
200 FPE from a .50 cal slug has a whole bunch more frontal area not to mention penetration ability compared to a .22 long rifle.  Not to mention the capabilty of expanding to over and inch with the soft lead used.  Hogs arent half as tough as people make them out to be, they just dont know where to hit them for a quick kill.

Not that I really care for PCP big bores and the possiblilities of airgun regulation by state and federal authorities that they will almost surely put a damper on airgunning in general.

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Re: Talon SS to 9mm?
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2008, 03:24:28 PM »
Buy a Talon for targets and get a powder burner for wild hogs.  No sense in getting injured or killed because the guys on any forum said "sure dood, just get a good headshot and it'll drop like a rock".  With a Talon "IF" you don't drop it with the first shot it will run you over before you can say,"reload!".  

Just my $0.02....bubble gum machines all run on quarters thesse days anyways:)
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Re: Talon SS to 9mm?
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2008, 04:49:24 PM »




I've been itching to get a crossbow as well so maybe that is the better way to go for hogs. At least with a crossbow I can practice in the yard with no need to goto a range like I'd need to with a big bore or powder burner.   Without a doubt I'll get a Talon SS .22 for targets and rabbits though.



Thanks for the all the opinions-- it does help.





Playing with:
Gamo .177 CFX/GRT-III / Delta
Baikal .22 MP-512M
Crosman 2240/ 2250 / 1377c / 1077 / 781
2 X .22 B3 / .22 QB362 / Daisy 22sg / No 100, Model 38
Beeman P17 / Beretta PX4 Storm .177 (and 9mm)
Ruger Airhawk .177 / XS-B3-1 (ak-47) .177
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You think so?
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2008, 02:15:09 AM »
Sorry, Jon, but I'm going to have to disagree with you.  Energy is energy, and it's one of the most quantifiable yard sticks we have to determine the efficacy of a particular rifle for a particular use.  And what .50 cal. ammo expands to over an inch?  Cite your source, please, unless it's results on a steel plate.  If so, it's meaningless in this case, flesh and bone aren't steel.  And greater penetration ability compared to a .22 LR?  Again, cite your source please.  The lowly .22 LR has a long history of complaints about "over penetration", just like the .177 pellet.  And if you still believe over penetration is a bad thing, go read some of J.P. Shelton's articles on the subject.

How tough hogs are is your opinion, mine differs.  Regardless, they are potentially DANGEROUS, unpredictabale game that will charge rather than run away, they are shockingly fast, and can do some serious damage in a big hurry.  And if a hunter doesn't know where to hit ANY game animal for a quick kill, that hunter has no business hunting in the first place.

Regarding new restrictions and regulations on air guns, I don't think the big bores are going to cause it, for most people they are novelties.  The trouble is going to come from the high powered production PCP's in standard calibers making 30 or so fpe and up.  I didn't read the article, but I believe a cop was killed recently with an air rifle somewhere in the world, want to say New Zealand but not sure.  THAT'S the kind of thing that will get the lawmakers, and perhaps worse, the media's attention.  We live in a frightened, steadily shrinking world, and ANYTHING that can "reach out and touch someone" will continue to be looked at with suspicion.  Today it's "assault weapons", tomorrow could be our air guns, the day after, who knows?  Sling shots, maybe?  The best plan may be to enjoy it while you can, and keep a low profile.  And now I will step off my soap box, later.

Dave

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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2008, 04:41:59 AM »
I almost want to laugh but I will keep it to a smile . Take the crossbow and a good health plan and tie yourself up in a tree and hunt hogs as long as you desire or till the rope brakes . Good luck and may be I missed some thing here I don't know . Marvin

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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2008, 05:09:10 AM »
Just plain LUV IT.
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