CONDOR ?????????????????????????????

[hunter220]

melloroadman - 10/27/2008  6:33 PM

Can a stock Condor power be adjusted down with the power wheel and PSI fill dropped to shot a .177  10.5 at or around 1000 fps. If not what would have to be done to do so ? Also what type of shoot count could one expect ? Marvin

You could adjust the tophat to get this to happen.  Otherwise, the condor would shoot 10.5 gr. pellets at around 1100fps most of the time.  You could dial the power all the way down and get it shooting in the 900fps range though.

[melloroadman]

Thank you . You confirmed what AIR Force told me . Also P.A. said they have sold several of them with no complaints as of yet . Also Chris said it should not be a issue as well . In the long run I think it will meet my needs over the talon . And a lesson I learned in my many years of sales is every one has different needs and desires. And if I want the sale I need to meet them and keep my personal preference silent . Marvin

[Gene_SC]

Gentlemen, no need to get our panties in a wad...:) When I was looking at the FX Cyclones back three years ago when the price was much lower than today. "$850.00" , I drove the guys nuts on the Straightshooters web site. :) I never did get all my questions answered or did not hear what I wanted to hear..:) So I ended up calling two dealers who I asked the appropriate questions but it seemed that there terminology confused me so would ask them to spell things out for me..:) Being new to PCP's I did not want to spend almost a grand and end up with something I did not like. So I asked and asked the dealers and the guys on the forums and got allot of conflicting information. But then I found the review center and started to read more about the FX Cyclone compared to similar PCP's. Pros and Cons etc. I sure got an education on the FX Cyclones.. hehe. Then last spring I got the hot's for an Air Arms 410. Since the GTA now had a PCP Forum I asked the one guy that could give me exactly what I needed to know. David Kirby had been buying, the different models of Air Arms PCP's. He literarily answered every question I asked of him. I trusted David because he had been a member of the GTA and really inspired Bob and me to open the PCP Dark Sider's Forum..:) I can understand Marvins frustration but Marvin the GTA has many members now that are truly knowledgeable about different models of PCP's. Not only is Joe Cuz one but DaveD is another good person for information. The GTA does have a wealth of knowledgeable members aboard. I am sorry that you never got the answer you were looking for but Preez, Joe Cuz and DanoTX did try and help you with what information and experience they had. I am sure they were frustrated that you did not understand what they were saying also..:) Just as you with them. I hope you find the right answers to your question Marvin. I am an old fart as well..:) hehe Gene

[dave2288]

just out of curiosity, why would you rather have the condor over the ss?  i've never even shot a pcp, but it does seem like the ss would be more appropriate...not trying to say you made a bad choice...if i were you, i would go condor too...lol, i just like to power you can get out of it, and the guys at talon tunes really have me interested in their .25 condor, and their method of quieting the af guns...

[airgunbliss]

I have a Condor that I recently purchased used, and I thought I would share my experience. The Condor that I have looks to be stock with no modifications. It is .22 caliber. I use Beeman Kodiaks in it. I started shooting it with a 2800 psi fill with the power wheel on 6. It kept picking up speed until it got to about 2500 psi. It leveled out to about 1250fps at that point. Too much speed for my needs, so I dropped the power wheel to 0 and kept on shooting it till it dropped to 950fps.Checked the pressure and it was about 1500psi. I can get about 20 good shots with a1500psi fill. Pretty darn accurate too. I may try a couple of other things to tame this beast. I may remove the hammer weight and try a shorter barrel. I sure do get a lot of fills from my tank at 1500psi though. I also filled it with my hand pump to make sure the gauge on my tank was correct and it reads 1500psi too.

[melloroadman]

To answer your question I believe it is safer , easier , and cheaper to reduce power than to gain power . We now have Beeman , and Eun Jin making .177 pellets in 15.1 and 16.1  I believe are the grains. I want to shoot accurately out to 80 plus yards and be able to tune down to use inexpensive cph 10.5 for 25 to 50 yards . The 24 inch barrel will give me 1 1/2 turns instead of 1 turn or twist at a twist rate of 1 in 16 . That should help stabilize the pellet . The .177 pellet has less farcical drag by .043 that should allow it to maintain its speed and energy better at the longer range . The .177 pellet is longer than the .22 pellet in the same weigh which should help the pellet from wobbling in flight . I believe thing have changed in our sport as of  late  . We now have PCPs that can generate a lot of power and we are starting to get new ammo that will go along with this power . In the past from 60 yards and past .22 has dominated but I think that has or is changing . Also I have a career 201'S that I shoot 358 158 grain semi wad cutter  at just under 700 fps  with about 163 fpe so if its raw power and hunting I already have that covered  . Also if I chose  to make this my hunter  I have the option of changing the barrel and moving on as well . Hope this method of madness makes since  to someone other than me .Marvin

[dave2288]

beeman has a heavy pellet?!?!?!?  what is it, and where do i go for it?

i'd love to see the results of your gun if you end up going with the condor...i'm interested to see if it will work out like you want it to(and hope it does).

[dave2288]

i would double check on those beeman pellets...the tin in the pic says .22...might be a typo

[melloroadman]

I will do a wright up when I get it and I hope it works as well. Here's the pellets P.A. has both of them . Marvin
http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/show_necessities.pl?show=NEW&Caliber=0.177&Type=0

[melloroadman]

I have spoken to Air Force several times now before I make my purchase and they have been ever helpful . I have been reassured that the Condor in stock form will be able to be adjusted with the power wheel to keep a 10.5 .177 pellet between 900 - 1000 FPS. They know I under stand that it will not be as efficient as a talon but since I may in the future convert this to a .25 caliber they understand why I want the condor over the talon . They also told me to get the condor to be as efficient as the talon all I have to do is use a talon air tank instead of the condor tank . Also they have a micro tank that will give the condor in .177 between 200 -300 shoots per fill at about 700 -800 fps . I thought I would pass this information on to the GTA forum member in the event some one else is thinking of a condor purchase .Marvin

[preez]

Marvin, if you have decided on the Condor, Impact Airguns has a liquidaiion sale and there's one Condor in .22 left for $499. Compared to $577 from Pyramyd.

I suspect it will be gone very soon.

Lots of luck

Chris

[dave2288]

gotta love all of the options that there are with the af guns!  i'm really interested to see what kinda numbers you're going to get when you convert to .25 though...i absolutely LOVE that caliber!

[melloroadman]

Chris I saw that but my mind is made up on a .177 . I have to try my theory out about the distance shooting you know . If it was a .177 I would have bought it at 5;45 when I check his add. That is one reason I posted this as well is if some one is setting on the fence for a .22 that is a very good deal . A.F. modular approach is very good . I just have to get use to the tactical  look but I think I will in a short order once I have it in my hands for a while . Marvin

[dave2288]

what scope are you going to pick for the condor?

[melloroadman]

Dave I am going with their fiber optic sights at fist although their global ones have caught my eye as well . Put I have several BSA 3 X 12 AO air gun scopes and a BSA contender not being used as well . During the summer I have to much poi shift in the climate I live in to depend on a scope . Although with the condor I think I might have a shaded area that I can shoot under at 65 yards that I might be able to trust a scope . If I can settle down I have a shaded area at 100 yards that I can use a scope under as well .Marvin