New Tech Force PCP

[PcpDave]

Nope! Not challenging you to buy a disco. Just stating the facts. The disco out powers the QB 78 even with CO2 as the propellant. With HPA it WAY out powers the QB 78. It also is more accurate than an unmodified QB 78. AND like I said the seals don't fail as they are prone to do on the QB 78.

That said, it is also quite a bit more expensive than a QB 78. But no matter how much modding you do to a QB 78 it will never reach the power level of a disco and will barely reach the accuracy level of the disco even for a fully modded QB 78.

So for about $70 - $90 for the QB 78 and another $20 - $40 you can install or have someone install good seals and have a gun which is fun to shoot and fairly accurate but anemic in the power level. OR you could spend about $155 for the disco and buy an inexpensive adapter to charge it with CO2 and have a gun which is not only more accurate but actually packs a much greater punch! AND with the disco you have the option of buying a pump or scuba tank and owing a gun which simply WAY out classes the QB 78 in power. And still out classes the QB 78 in the accuracy department with either "fuel"!

I KNOW! I have owned three 78's and one competition version of the 78. All experienced seal failure and were returned to the seller with in one week to three months. I had another modded with new seals and "accurized" for $105. Still not the gun I was looking for and sold it 6 months later.

I now own a Disco and like the Energizer bunny, it just "keeps going and going and going"!

Another plus for the Disco? It is 100% American made and not some cheap Chinese knock off of an American made gun!

Chinese guns simply suck! I know! I bought and returned at least 15 different models before I found ONE which works and continues to work. And that one needed a Charlie da Tuna GRT III trigger to make it shoot accurately!

Heck even the cheap GAMO guns way out shoot and outlast the Chinese junk!

So there's my rant and my 2 cents worth.

[Jaymo]

I think I'll save up for a Marauder.

[lillysdad621]

pcp dave... if you think all chinese guns suck, you have not shot a brand new out of the box B25 in.22. then tell me it couldn't out shoot the disco... don't get me wrong, i love the disco as it seems to be the efficient sheridan i have been searching for all this years, but the new B25 is just... a diana rws 34... or at least 96% of it... a disco is more like a 50 % german gun...lol

[chuckster750800]

I just got a new Disco and it's an out of the box one holer. I like my Diana 34, Crosman Nitro and MM B26-2 but this little Disco is just amazing.

Charlie,

[PcpDave]

lilysdad,

You are correct! I have NOT shot A B25! Nor would I buy it just to verify what you say. Because my Disco is extremely accurate and makes me mucho happy! As does my Beeman R9 and my Daisy 953 TargetPro.

The Disco is a hunting gun which would also probably do quite well at FT. The R9 hunting, FT and informal target work. The 953 is a nice target and plinking gun. Nothing the B25 could or would do that the Disco or R9 couldn't or wouldn't. Plus I trust the quality of these two WAY better than any Chinese gun no matter how much any one vouches for it!

And I would seriously doubt the B25 would do any better than my Tech Force 59 regarding accuracy, quality, fit, or finish. It is the ONLY one of 15 Chinese guns I did not have to return to the seller. With the addition of a CDT GRT III trigger it shoots very well. Not quite in the same class as my R9, but I seriously doubt the B25 is either. The B25 would probably  have a knock down advantage over the TF 59, but I doubt there would be any other advantage. And the TF 59 regularly takes squirrels up to 40 yards. The R9 and Disco add another 10 yards to that.

To any one who has Chinese made guns and likes them, COOL! I have had some real bad experiences with them and am very bitter toward them. I would not recommend them to my friends for fear of losing a friendship!

[Jaymo]

I like some Chicom air guns, and dislike others. My 3 QB78 variants have been great shooters. My B40 and B30 have been squirrel hammers. My best friend has a Diana 48 in .22 and it won't outshoot my B30-1 in .22. In fact, he can't keep his running. On the first outing, it broke the long threaded rod that runs from the side lever to the air chamber.
That does not change my opinion that the Diana 48 is a darned nice springer.
However, my R9 is definitely the one I wouldn't get rid of. The Rekord trigger is a fantastic trigger. After shooting my B30(post-trigger tune), I almost AD my R9 because the trigger is so much lighter.
I own quite a few Chicom airguns, as well as one (soon to be 2) German made Weihrauch airguns. I also have quite a few Crosman and Daisy airguns. I cut my teeth on a Crosman 2100 and a Daisy Powerline 880. I'm a HUGE Crosman fan. Just not always a fan of their triggers.

[Gopher]

Any updates on this?

It seems to have disappeared from the Compasseco site and Google only turns up this thread.

[thebookdoc]

why not just give them a call and ask... Phone (800) 726-1696

[Gopher]

Iwas going to call them today, but if you notice ... they might have been closed at 11:30 PM last night. I was following along with interest for almost a month.

With over 35 responses to this thread and it being so active for a month I thought maybe someone following it and being up late like me might have chimed in.

I'll post back after I call them. It seems like the original poster has not followed up after starting the thread either. Thanks for the number.

EDIT: Called Compasseco and the word from them is that it has been temporarilypulled for some final modifications.

They are adding a pressure gauge either to the front or botton like the Discovery. They also want to change the fill connector to be more

main stream so that you can use the Discovery quick disconnect. It should be finalized and back up for sale by December.

The price is supposed to remain the same. Maybe we will get a real Discovery clone

I got in on that Sunshine good deal for the Discovery, but I don't think that will happen again.

This could be a good alternative ifthe Disco fill adapter can be used.

[thebookdoc]

Just so I'm not misinterpreted, I wasn't being curt or snide...just trying to be helpful. I suggested calling because I call them about every other week for on thing or another and they will probably tell you more than you think they might. I probably should have added that. If you get only a partial answer from the first line of defense on the phone, ask to talk to Eric or one of the tech guys.

[Gopher]

I know that...No offense taken. The number really helped. Instead of procrastinating...I called right then

[Gene_SC]

I have to say that I really am disappointed with the staff at Compasseco. They have recently put up some video's on the operation and care of springers.

It is apparent that they are way off base when it comes to their suggestions on lubricating a springer. They are telling those who watch the video's to put oil in the compression chamber port to lube the synthetic seal. THIS IS CRAZY. By doing so you risk destroying your seal and main spring. Although this means more business for tuners it is completely wrong. The GTA strives toshow new air gunners the proper way to maintain a springer and Compasseco is showing there customers how to destroy the products they buy. Seems to be self defeating to me.
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[aguirrewar]

someone needs to advice me and correct me also;

TF 78, .22 cal shooting 1050 fps for $199.95
Disc, in .177 cal., shooting 900 fps for $150.00
RWS 850, in .22 cal, shooting 650 fps for $250.00

that QB trigger without a doubt is a MAGNIFICENT trigger

the TF 78 shooting 1050 fps in .22 CANNOT be the real thing, 3,500 PSI in the tube is equvalent to 1/2 dynamite stick, lot's of BANG

warren

[Gopher]

TF-78 - Price seems to be fair, new model, but who knows what FPS it will have when it finally arrives maybe December 2009.

 ADVICE: not an option right now, not for sale. No support as yet. Get the Disco!

Disco in .177 - $155 was a special deal by an online retailer. I don't think you'll see it again anytime soon, so expect $260-290

 ADVICE:well worth the moneyto get into PCP.It is much louder than I expected. One of the few things that no one exagerated about.

 Expect to payanother $50 to quiet it down if you shoot in a residential area. Very accurate, easy power and trigger mods.

 Ready to go action as is...plenty of online support and knowledge. Get the Disco!

RWS 850 - Refurbs from factory when availableat $140, regular $225, Super accurate (I have .177), longer (Plastic) stock for more comfortable

 shouldering,10 shotrepeater, original AirSouce can CO2 60 shots ($7), with Paint Ball adapter/tank ($55) - 400 shots CO2 per fill ($5),

 easily modified for power and trigger pull,plenty of online supportand knowledge,limited to spring/summer temperaturesunless you

convertto HPA at about $175, and still have toquiet it down for residentialuse...although in stock form it is half as loud as the Disco.

 ADVICE: You will have a blast with this one butwillget frustratedduring the cold weatherwhen the pellet drops at your feet

youWILLconvert to HPA. At that point, you have a full size HPA.In HPA form you're at $400.

 Inany case, you have to to fill the air chamber...either pump (<$200) orScuba tankand adapters (>$200) for Disco and TF-78

 when it comes out.For the RWS 850 itswarm weatherCO2 which is your cheapestoption orHPA - Scuba tankand adapters.

Get the Disco!

As with all my advice...your mileage will vary depending on your shooting habits...

edit: sorry...refreshed the page and lost it all...now it's found

[aguirrewar]

Gopher:

very SOLID advice and the Disco is the one to go because of the dual fuel capability besides the HPA capability but that TF 78 has my head spinning at 1,050 RPM's, sorry 1,050 FPS
 and one part of my brain SHOUTs' out I DON't think so

at the entry level of the PCP air rifles these are the ones to consider and the QB is a fun shooter at $90.00, the 850 is next in CO2 with it's rotary breach loading option but for twice the price

decisions?? decisions??, which one???

warren