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Gamo Rocket Pellets
« on: June 27, 2006, 10:13:14 AM »
Gamo rocket pellets shoot extremely well out of my S1k, very accurate and extremely tight groups out to 30 yards, but I haven't tried them on anything but paper targets so far. So far, from my practice sessions in the back yard, I'm very impressed with the pellets.  I'm thinking of using them on some smaller woodchucks  next time I head out to the duck farm that I shoot at.  I am also looking forward to using them this year when the squirrel season opens up here.  I was just wondering if any of you guys have actually used them on any small game and if so how have they performed?  Any input would be appreciated.  Thanks :)
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They are fast but don't pack much punch
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2006, 11:23:30 PM »
I bought some to see what all the hype was about & they did raise the fps but nowhere near the advertised velocities. I shot a grackle centermass & he just flew away, so I did a soap bar test to see what kinda wound channel it left. My results where that the wound channel was very small & at 20 yards would probably result in a through-n-through on smaller game. The goal of any good hunting pellet is energy transfer & the light fast pellet just doesn't pack enough punch to do the job. I think Gamo marketed this product assuming most ppl that would buy it didn't know about energy transfer & the "novelty" idea of more fps would appeal to a wider range of ppo. I agree they a very accurate but not enough fpe to do what I expect it to. I'll stick with my round nose Gamo Hunters in 22 & Crosman CPH's in 177. Let us know how they work on squirrels I consider them the ultimate air rifle quarry & am always interested in new ways to eliminate them.

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RE: They are fast but don't pack much punch
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2006, 02:44:48 AM »
You are referring to the "rocket" pellet, the one with the small BB in the tip, right?  That's the one I was referring to in my post, not the "raptor" PBA pellet.  I bought one package of the PBA raptors but after reading some posts advising against their use (supposedly akin to dry firing due to their low weight and lack of resistance for the piston) I never even tried them.  When I fired the "rockets" they appeared to strike the target much harder than the standard pellets I had been using.  I don't own a chronograph so I can't make any accurate statements regarding their velocity, but they did do alot more damage to the 3/4 inch plywood targets backing I use than the standard lead pellets.  I would think a direct hit on a grackle would kill it instantly based on what I saw on my target backing.  Anyway, just wanted to check with you to make sure we were talking about the same pellet.  Have a good day and good shooting :)
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2006, 10:04:54 AM »
I haven't used these, and really see no need to.  They seem to me to be a solution to a non-problem and they aren't particularly novel, as it seems to me that there was another pellet marketed in the past -about two decades ago- that was essentially the same type of deal, being a pellet with a steel BB inserted at the tip.

In the Shadow I had and the one my wife still has, (both .177) Kodiaks and CPHs gave the best accuracy.  The Copperhead Pointed pellets are only slightly looser grouping but at 7.9 grains and with a BC of .028, the fly fast and hit very hard at all ranges.

I personally do not agree with the "energy transfer" arguments that I see proffered on BBS forums like this.  I want complete pass through penetration if I can get it.  The math often used in support of  "energy transfer" is simplistic when applied to the take of game and has little bearing on reality.  It isn't just energy transfer that matters, but where in the critter the energy is transferred.

If I shoot a jackrabbit in the noggin at 50 yards with my wife's Shadow and hit that magic spot behind the eye and below the ear, the result is predictable and no different than if I hit a jackrabbit in the noggin in the same place with my CZ 452-2E .22LR.  Likewise, if I do a heart/lung shot on a 2 lbs cottontail with my .20 R-9 at 30 yards, the result is predictable and no different than if I hit the bunny in the same place with my .22 LR.  However, if I gut-shoot a rabbit too far back with any of the three, the results are equally predictable but definitely not as humane or effective.

My sister, on the other hand, armed with her Marlin 1894 in .218 Bee, CAN hit them anywhere and rely on hydrostatic shock and energy transfer to kill.  But all she has left is a spot of goo on the ground and smoking fur -certainly nothing left that's edible.

With air rifles and small game, I am not looking for energy tranfer to kill, but I know that I need a certain level of energy on impact to ensure enough penetration to reach the vitals, pierce them, and thus take them out, along with the rest of the critter.  I want all the penetration I can get because "stuff happens" and sometimes that first shot doesn't work out because a gust of wind, a twig, a blade of grass, or the nut behind the trigger jerks the shot off the intended mark.  When that happens, I am usually left with the worst case scenario for shot placement, rather than the best case.  In that sort of situation, where the quarry doesn't drop at the shot, I am not comfortable with assuming a clean miss and instead assume a cruel wound.  The next move then is to anchor the animal.  In the case of cottontails, for example, that means breaking the near-side shoulder, penetrating the heart / lung region, and breaking the off-side shoulder as well.  In my expereince, a cottontail with two busted front shoulders can't run very far, and thus the next move is to try that head shot again.  When stuff doesn't work out right, too much penetration trumps too little, every time.

Perhaps I am a victim of my powderburner and big game experience, but I see taking a bunny with an air rifle the same as I see taking a Cape buffalo with a .375 H&H as in either case, the critter is capable of fully absorbing all of the energy the appropriate rifle can thump it with.  In both cases, the killing is done with placement and penetration.  This is why you don't see too many people shooting Cape buffalo with expanding bullets, and why most African hunting is done with non-expanding solids.  You might set out with the idea of shooting a "tommy" for the pot with a light rifle but might be faced with a charging something or other that is *_*_*_*_*_*ed off and capable of killing you.  With solids, even a wimpy little .30-'06 can kill a charging Cape buffalo very dead.

Another way to look at this is best explained thus:

If I shoot Copperheads out of my wife's Shadow, their high BC of.028 allows them to thump the target with over 9 ft/lbs at 50 yards.  At 30 yards, they'll drill right through a cottontail's noggin.  Now, I could use a flat point pellet with a BC of .009 at the same range and note that the pellet doesn't pass through.  I could assume that the reason for this is purely due to the shape of the points, and further assume that the flat point pellet dumped more energy into the target, but if I did that, I'd be ignoring the very likely possiblity that the flat point pellet at 30 yards didn't have as much energy to dump as the Copperhead did.  At thirty yards, the Copperhead might be hitting with as much as 2 times the energy as a flat-point pellet will, so it can afford to waste some in the atmosphere on pass through.

If you think of terminal ballistics as being a product of placement and penetration, that will lead you to using round-nosed lead pellets with a relatively high BC of .020 or higher, and choosing among them the one that gives the best accuracy in your rifle.  Then you will use the rifle and ammo with confidence, knowing that if you place the pellet where it needs to go, the desired end result will happen, and you won't need to wonder if you've got enough ooomp-pa-pa to reach something vital that the critter you seek to kill can't live without.

In the end, I'm not saying that these BB-headed Gamo wonderpellets won't kill game, but I doubt if you'll be able to do anything with them that I couldn't do with my wife's .177 Shadow stoked with a good, old fashioned, boring, Kodiak, CPH, CPL, or Copperhead.  I'm not so sure that the thing would go the other way 'round.

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Re: Gamo Rocket Pellets
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2006, 01:19:29 PM »
your right I was referring to the other pellet. My bad! I have no experience with the pellet in question.

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Re: Gamo Rocket Pellets
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2006, 01:29:15 PM »
I appreciate the post on energy transfer & understand your point. My experience would not agree with yours however. Just two different points of view both arguably right! What's important is the end result. I've seen several animals & ppl for that matter suffer from clean through-n-throughs & personally I'd prefer more energy transferred to vital organs & avoid chasing a wounded critter around. Your talking about clean head shots & lung shots most likely, which do present themselves. Still, I've shot squirrels directly in the skull with light hollow points & seen them die a slow painful death. Both are theories but according to the FBI database on ballistics energy transfer is more vital for a lethal round that is taking into consideration your firing at an armed crack addict charging at you in pitch dark!

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RE: Gamo Rocket Pellets
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2006, 10:09:15 AM »
I was shooting at a taget today tacked to a piece of 1/2" plywood at 20 yards.  The Rockets I shot stuck in the plywood but the Crosman hollow points completely penetrated the plywood.  Just a bit of info for what it's worth.

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Re: Gamo Rocket Pellets
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2006, 10:20:05 PM »
Thanks for the info what gun where you using?

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Re: Gamo Rocket Pellets
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2006, 08:13:55 AM »
A two week old CF-X.  The skirt end of the rockets were flush with the side of the plywood facing me.

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RE: Gamo Rocket Pellets
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2006, 10:31:02 PM »
Hi all I'm new on here and i use rockets quite a bit and have found the to work rather well but this also depends on how well you want them to i have noticed that they dont over penatrate unless used on birds i usually use them on Brush Tail possums and these things are hard critters all up a good pellet but i dont think they expand enough.
GAMO have a new pellet called GAMO Expanders in .177  & are 8.2gr they are hollow point & at the moment are the top selling Gamo pellet  they look just like Beeman Crow Magnum so they must be good,  hollow tip + same weight as rockets & perform like cro magnums & cheaper personally i would go with Expanders.
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Re: Gamo Rocket Pellets
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2006, 12:37:51 AM »
nice post I didn't know gamo had expander pellets out yet. I'll have to try those out thanks!

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RE: Gamo Rocket Pellets
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2006, 01:04:05 AM »
I'll be on the lookout for the expanders!
Hopefully they'll sell a tin of 500 of 'em for about the same price as they get for the Raptors...
...oh well...I can dream, can't I? :D

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« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2006, 05:04:31 AM »
I ordered my pellets for .177 and .22. Would of liked to of tried those with my CFX .177. I do get good impacts with RWS Super Domes with squirrels. Would be nice to see how those would perform. All though I think the RWS Superdomes are heavier pellets.

My question would be how accurate are they at 40 yards?

Anyway. the next time I order, I will include a tin of those Expanders..

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Re: Gamo Rocket Pellets
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2006, 05:16:43 AM »
I wasn't aware of those Gamo "expander" pellets either.  What site did you purchase them from?
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RE: Gamo Rocket Pellets
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2006, 09:46:23 AM »
That seems to be the problem i orderd these in bulk but im still waiting for the phone call so i can go and collect, And now that i look at them again i remember they look more like JSB Predator pellets but they are all lead have a look.

http://www.gamo.com/?ID=53&ProductID=300

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