New Daisy 25 tear down

[airiscool]

Magnum,
1987 is suposed to be the last year they made a model 25 if this website is correct.
http://www.bbairguns.com/model25.htm

Joe-Joe,
Noticed some differances.

My early variant 4  has the rear site forward on the reciever and it's the five step, sliding wedge type.

My stock is walnut with a straight 'English' grip.

The new ones have the five groove pump handle of a variant 4, but the pistol grip stock of the variant 5 and later, and the stamped reciever of a variant 7.

Paul.

[airiscool]

Dave,
No, and I've been meaning to correct that in my sig line. A while back I looked and behind all the junk I saw it's wood stock in the back of the closet shelf. I dug it out the other night and was very surprised to find that  it's no longer a Red rider - it had turned into a model 102. HUH ?????

Then I remembered some years ago I had swapped with one of my nephews when he out grew this old 102 (looks very much like the 105). I should see about getting the Red Rider back.

And now I see Daisy has the model 25 listed on their website, but no picture available yet.

Paul.

[airiscool]

Here's a pic of the old girl.
Paul.

[joe-joe guns]

OK,got my chrony today and ran some bb's through the 25.Granted I didn't test it before the tune but I got a low of 335fps and a high of 352fps.I'll have to test it against the bone stock one I have to see if the addition of the washers made any differance.The thing that worries me is I got my fastest shots first then it started slowing down,I'm thinking I may have over lubed it.I'll shoot it some more before I tear it down again.If I tear it down to clean it up I'll test with and with out the washers.
         To answer an earlier question the spring is close to bound with the 3 washers and I'd say their about 3/16 of an inch thick.

[LARRYPIRRONE]

your gun shoots about 20 fps faster than mine.

[RedFeather]

You guys are thinking too much. Those guns, like old .22 pumps, aren't meant for refinement. Just pumping out the shots, lickety-split. It is a great post, BTW. I dropped by my local Dick's where they have four in stock, but they are all stickered at $49.99. While not a lot more, that's the highest I've seen them at and 25% more than BassPro. Still cheaper than a good original, though.

[airiscool]

".........I dropped by my local Dick's where they have four in stock, but they are all stickered at $49.99. ............"

That's gettin up there, but then, it doesn't sound so bad when you see that Daisy has them for $74.00 on thier website and as of last night, no picture of what they look like.

But yeah, pumping out BB's they can do. Hold back the trigger and they spit as fast as the pump will go. Part of the reason mine is so worn out. Only thing faster was the BB gun machine guns at Coney Island, boy did I eat up alot of quarters with them !!!!!!

Anyway, oiled up the old girl last night and let her sit to soak. Got 'dark' BB's already sorted out, I'll try another string over the chrony today.

Paul

[joe-joe guns]

Paul,I'm sure you have way more experience with a chrony than me(hey I've got 24 hours under my belt)but I bought 2 cheap LED stick on touch lights and mounted them to the sun shades and only got about 1 error in 10 that way.

[airiscool]

Joe-Joe,
Not realy. I only got the F-1 a couple months ago and have run about 20 strings across it so far.

With, or without the sky screens, blue sky or cloudy, it doesn't want to consistantly  read anything shiny. I had the same problem when I tested shiny gold Gamo Raptors.  Even with the tarnished BB's, I have to shoot about an inch above and directly centered over the electric eye openings or all I get is "error".

Not a problem with lead pellets - it reads every shot.

I should hook up some electric light sources also.

Paul.

[LARRYPIRRONE]

did anyone do a coilcount on the spring. what ab out wire diameter and guide diamteter. i have a nice FWB 300s spirng laying around.

[joe-joe guns]

The guide diameter is .5 in,There are 23 coils on the spring.Sorry I didn't get the spring wire diameter or the outside dia. but the tube is .875 i/d so I'd guess the spring o/d is somewhere around .75.

[airiscool]

Just to compare...

Oiled the innards of the old 25 two days ago and let her sit to soak. This morning I ran it over the chrony again.

After a few shots to get the excess oil out, she averaged 286.8 with a spread of 19.1. Thats an increase of 79.9 avg and just about the same spread as before I oiled it. Compared to the new ones, I think that's not bad for a BB gun that's almost 90 years old and has had a bazilion BB's through it.

Paul.

[LARRYPIRRONE]

i can't seem to get the cocking linkage to separate from the action. can this be done before the retaining tab is removed?  or is it connected  to the retainer block and it it comes out with the retainer block?

[LARRYPIRRONE]

never mind. i got it. now i just need to make the spring compressing tool. thats the most difficult part of hte whole thing. i don't have my vernier calipers here at home. can i assume you need 3/4 OD steel pipe. it looks like it has an ouside taper.

[LARRYPIRRONE]

the little tab came out with ease but the spring assembly does not want to move. is there somethng else holding it?