I wasn't teaseing you Stephen they really are called a Fat wrench,they are purpose built for gun smithing & gun crank's like me,torque on my precision long range weapon's is very important,can change p.o.i. by in.'s over really any distance? I just went in and looked one up for you,they have them at sportsmansguide.com for 44.97 with every bit you will ever need to play with(well most any) and I'm sure you can find them about anywhere really,they are nice to have around & come with listing of pressure needed on most gun need's. the item # is axa-119862. Hope this help's you some.P.S I was installing a new sope last night & your post helped keep me entertained while I worked,every time cross hair's didn't seem just right I'd laugh, thank's BRO I really do mean it.LATER ON JAY