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RWS 460 Magnum.
« on: May 05, 2007, 12:20:03 PM »
Okay, this is not going to be a good review as far as pics and printouts go.
We had a great day at John’s place zeroing in scopes and Chronying a bunch
of pellets in a bunch of rifles... here's a link to his post on the "shoot out":

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=2893&mid=18492#M18492

Thanks for a great day.... and good brunch John, I had a blast  :)

The 460 (in .177 cal), as expected fell far short of RWS’s bogus velocity figures and if you
had bought the gun purely for the high velocity …. You’d be very disappointed.
Also the gun has rusty grease coming out of the breach, along with a “rough”
Sliding sound, which has already produced scratches along the sliding breach.
We JM silicone lubed it and it did improve a lot as the day whent on.
A complete takedown, clean and lube will be a must for this gun (tomorrow)

The rifle itself is a Diana 48 (with underlever from a 46) in a Diana 300R Stock, plain and simple.

Chrony averages by pellet type:

CP heavies      10.5gr             848fps
Gamo Rockets   9.8gr             914fps
Beeman FTS      8.9gr             975fps
CPL’s                 7.9gr             998fps (maxed at 1007)
And last but not least PBA’s 1115fps (max)
 
So I’m expecting it to push CPL’s at over 1000fps after break in. Even at that
Speed today it was very accurate, the only thing causing any bad shots was me I’m afraid  ;)
I’ll more than likely stick to the heavier pellets though.

We did notice a small but steady power increase as it shot more pellets. I had to
Reduce the elevation on the scope about 3 times during the day.
The rifle also did not seem to mind what pellet you put in it… they all shot very
Straight, some of them stacking at 30+ yards. (which for me is pretty good)
It also (at 30yards) did not require much if any adjustment when changing between the different pellets,
this nice trait may disappear as it breaks in though… I hope not.

The trigger is very nice (T05), I made no adjustments to it. It’s crisp and exact. (the nicest I’ve shot with so far)

On the whole I am pleased with the purchase.
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- Roald.

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RE: RWS 460 Magnum.
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2007, 12:36:36 PM »
Enjoyed your review very much.  Enjoy your new rifle, it's a beauty.  

Jeff
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RE: RWS 460 Magnum.
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2007, 02:49:19 PM »
Thanks Jeff  :)
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RE: RWS 460 Magnum.
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2007, 11:00:01 PM »
Yes Roald nice review and great lookin shooter there. 8) Ed
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Re: RWS 460 Magnum.
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2007, 02:22:31 AM »
Nice Eye Candy Roald and great review...:) I assume this is a .177 Cal? How much do you estimate it weighs with the scope?

Thanks for sharing

Gene
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Re: RWS 460 Magnum.
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2007, 02:30:54 AM »
not too sure Gene, must be close to 10lbs... just a bit less 9.5 maybe.  It's very slim and sleek, which
makes it "feel" lighter than it really is I think.
Yes, it's a .177
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RE: RWS 460 Magnum.
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2007, 09:42:46 AM »
Okay I've done the strip down, clean and lube tune on the 460.
Fist off I must say that it's by far the easiest springer I've worked on.
3 pins and 3 screws and the whole thing is apart. see pics of pins etc.

The rifle is very simple also compression tube, piston, spring & giude and trigger....
simple is good.

The bad was that I found a lot of rust on the inside of the tube (see pic)
It was surface rust and came off easily enough, but I feel that it's BS that
a new rifle can have that much rust inside it (minus 1 for Diana)

Anyhow, it's all lubed and clean now and boy! I find it hard to believe just how
much of a difference a bit of spring tar and molly can do for a gun.     :)
It shoots quieter now and has that good "thunk" sound.... I love it.  8)

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RE: RWS 460 Magnum.
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2007, 11:04:10 AM »


Holy cow Roald look at that compression cylinder rust lol. Thats insane man!! Looks like someone stored the cylinders in a fishbowl and then assembled the gun without cleaning it up first. I agree 50 lashes with a bat to Diana for letting that gun leave like that.



John

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RE: RWS 460 Magnum.
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2007, 12:03:02 PM »
It has been my experience when watching CDT do the RWS models, I was very surprised at first at how dry they were inside. In fact both of my RWS 34's were dryer than a bone inside.. The newer one did have a bit of thin lube but very very little.. Ya Roald, that seems to be remarkable what a good lube tune does for the RWS Models..:) They are very well designed and of much higher quality than the Gamo air guns but lack that one thing... "LUBE"  hehe... On the other hand I have Gamo's that shoot like 5 and 6 hundred dollar guns after a Turbo Tune and GRT-III trigger installed..:)

Thanks for sharing the tech stuff Roald..

Gene
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RWS 460 Magnum review update... a few 100 Pellets later...
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2007, 02:06:27 PM »
Well I've put quite a few pellets through the 460 now so I thought I'd give you all an update.
I took it out to John G's place for the "North Texas Shooting and Eating club" meet on Saturday
see it here:
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=3072#M19819

Anyhow, the rifle shoots like a dream. I always thought that I (being a wobbly type) was
an "okay" shot, and resigned myself to be mediocre for life, However, after this weekend I may
just change my mind on that one. This 460 hits what ever you point in at. It's amazing.
I was using Beeman FTS'es all day and I'm not sure if it's just a real good match or what
but this rifle has changed my shooting life. All the way out to 40 yards is was spot on.
This was the limit of the range (John's huge back yard). I had a blast. I have never shot an
air rifle that well in my life, so it's safe to assume that the rifle had a lot to do with it.

I will now (with confidence) tell anyone that this is a very good buy and if you were thinking
about getting one... just do it!   :D

Oh yes.. and now I've weighed it, it's 9.8lbs scoped... a tad heavy.
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RE: RWS 460 Magnum review update... a few 100 Pellets later...
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2007, 12:39:41 AM »
Congrats,,,, it's a beautiful things when shooter and rifle "meld".    

Jeff
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Re: RWS 460 Magnum.
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2007, 02:44:11 AM »
Man I wish I lived closer you everyone. id love to just sit and sample guns and see if i fould one I liked..


Thanks for the review.

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Re: RWS 460 Magnum.
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2007, 06:57:18 AM »
Thanks for your review. Based upon my own experience, you are dead on so to speak. The Diana web site does indicate the velocity for the 460 to be within a few meters/ sec. of the 48. I enjoy the Diana side-cocker as a fun gun. Solid hit on the target. So I thought that experience in an underlever was what I hoped to find. This unit is no disappointment in that regard. Just a different, slimmer, more rifle- like (longer)feel compared to the 48/52 carbine feel.  I noticed the gritty rust colored grunge also and the fine trigger. Although I committed to purchase the 460 before you posted, I breathlessly read your review in anticipation of receiving the gun. Anyone reading this should rest assured your review was spot on.  Really RWS, why would you try to sell this gun as a monster 1350 fps. when it is perfectly suited as a normal magnum with similar fps. characteristics as the 48/52/54. Truth to all.  Oldfed

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Re: RWS 460 Magnum.
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2007, 04:13:00 PM »
I purchased a Mendoza RM-200 last year (.177) and was fairly impressed with what a pellet rifle could do. My only other experiences were with Crosman or Daisy multi-pump pneumatic BB/pellet guns. The only thing I don't like is that it sounds like a rickety screen door when it cocks and it prefers larger diameter pellets. I think it was bored to use Mendoza's own pellets. It produces about 9 to 10 ft lbs. This will be my first victim for a noobie tear down/tune.

     Second rifle I purchased was a Diana 46E (.177) with a stamp date from '99. I think it was discontinued but $150 seemed like a good deal. I was expecting a little more power but ended up with only a hair more than the Mendoza. Now that I think about it, I recall seeing rust colored junk in the loading port. I'll probably find the same problem as the OP. It grouped a bit better than the 1st rifle and isn't as picky about pellets.

     Third is a Diana 48 (.22) that I can't say enough great things about. My friends all agree that it's a really nice rifle with good power (20.5 ft lbs). My brother loves it. He came over to the house today while I was at work and picked off the furry little pests around the bird feeder. $320 is a little steep for most casual air rifle shooters but to me it's worth it. Now if we could only get Diana to improve their scope rail system. It's far too short and doesn't have a proper hole to drop a scope stop pin into.

     I'm looking to purchase a 460 in .22 in the near future. I saw one distributor said that caliber won't be in stock till September. Thanks for the heads up on what to expect. I've been looking forward to this rifle since late last year.

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Re: RWS 460 Magnum.
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2007, 05:42:10 AM »
Hey, Shawn, welcome aboard!  The only Diana I've had personal experience with is a 350 in .22, but I've heard good things about your 46.  I think it should be producing a little more power, say 12-13 fpe.  It could probably use a good cleaning and tune up.  And yes, $150 does sound too good to pass up.  Being a '99, I assume it has the TO-1 trigger.

A good gun is worth whatever it costs you.  My first was a CFX, paid about $200 with BSA 2-7x32 scope.  Add $30 for a GTX-II trigger from Bob.  Then another $180 for CDT tune and GRT III trigger.  Finally, another $145 for a Theoben gas ram.  Did all that, it was shooting outstandingly, then gave it to my brother for his birthday.  Good thing my wife doesn't know how much that rifle REALLY cost!  My current #1 gun is a Beeman HW 77 living in a 97 stock.  Retails for $460 or more, got mine used for just over $400.  Worth every penny.

Regarding the scope rails on the Diana rifles, two suggestions.  First, use an Accushot 1 pc. mount turned backwards, and hang the stop pin over the front of the rail.  Second, try the BKL 1 pc. mount.  No stop pin, but they have 6 clamping screws.  I had one on my 350 with a Simmons 44 Mag scope, didn't slip at all.  Good luck, and hope this helps.

Dave