Hey, I never said it was a cop out to shoot PCP's . I said if you wanted to shoot accurately out of the box without having to put in the time it would take to learn to shoot a springer accurately , then to get a PCP if you can live with the extra baggage of carrying around a tank and system to fill it with . I also said it wasn't as bad as some people make it out to be . Springers if you can shoot them are a lot simpler to operate and are great in the field . It took me a while to learn to shoot a springer , but I didn't do so until I dedicated myself to learning what worked for me. Now ; I miss my AA carbine and since I have six other springers to play with , I think it's time for me to diversify .I also have a 13xx Crosman and three 22xx CO2's that run off carts , and two SSP pistols. LOL I'm replacing my Air Arms S400C a 12fpe single shot .177 ; which is one of the rifles I suggested in the beginning of this thread . That and the TalonSS , which I feel is a nice PCP , easy to operate , I enjoyed shooting mine , but I liked the S400C wood stocked carbine the most. kirby EDIT: BTW , I've never been able to shoot the high powered springers , I prefer something below 12fpe . It makes a difference.