Daisy Powerline/Winchester 1000's...Made in China???

[VINNY]

This is my Winchester 800x. It has a wood stock. It looks much better in person, but this is exactly what mine looks like. Made in Turkey. The trigger was tight, but loosened up and is fine now. I noticed the wood stocks in the pics all look different. I wonder if the Chinese wood stocks have the checkering and Turkish stocke have the lines?

[airgunhead]

I got mine in the middle of March this year and it's made in China. The "Checkering" isn't real Checkering. It's lines scratched into the wood in a Checkering design. That's OK as I don't care for looks but performance. I shot pellet guns 40 yrs ago and the cops still have 2 of them. The Powerline is a good gun for the price.The trigger sucks,the scope mount sucks, the scope is nice and the open sights are nice.Now I have to find the right pellet. I'm using the cheap Daisy and Crosman Copperhead flat nose pellets. They shoot OK but I can't make a real assesment until I tune the trigger. I found an article   http://www.reviewcentre.com/review365024.html but it don't seem to Jive with my gun. Must be for the Turkey gun. I didn't know avout any of these things until I bought it and found this and the other sites. Anyway, I took my trigger apart and honed the mating surface of the black stamped steel part that has been doubled side by side with another stamped steel part exactly alike and the trigger pull is now smoother but still terribly hard and long. I'm going to hone the end a little at a time to get the travel to a more tolerable level instead of the 3/16"-1/4" that it is now. You can see the wear mark where you have to smooth and shorten. The bluing will be worn off where the 2 parts scrape against each other until one finally slips off the other and releases the spring which is held by another sear looking thing. Excuse my lack of terminology. When you smooth and cut the blued double stamped part make the very end as sharp as possible to make a crisp let-off instead of a slippery feeling let-off. Don't cut too much as you will have a hard time adding more metal(welding) to get the gun to cock and STAY cocked until YOU want it to go off. I bought longer hex head screws(metric) 4mm I believe and putting one in only reduced the first stage length of pull and any more wouldn't let the gun cock. So I put the original back in. I doubt if you can get a crisp hi-power rifle like trigger in one of these things but..What do I know? I'd just like something better than having a trigger as it came. Darned Lawyer triggers!!!!!!! Hope this helps anybody. If you find a better way let us know. I'll try it!

[Gene_SC]

If I am reading the correct information the original Powerline 1000WS Pelet Rifle .177 is made in China and the neweer Winchester Model 1100 XSU .177 is made in Turkey along with the Winchester 850XS22 which is of course the .22 version is produced in Turkey also. The Powerline 1000WS Pelet Rifle .177 is only available in .177. I have tuned the Powerline 1000WS Pelet Rifle .177 and was quite surprised at the build quality and overall cocking and shooting cycle after a tune.

It would be a model that I would like to add to my collection.. As if I really need another springer. But I was impressed enough that it got my attention and did do some research on it.

I wouldput the Powerline 1000WS Pelet Rifle .177 in the magnum class.

[124 sporter]

Gene, it just so happens that I have a Daisy 1000ws that was professionally tuned (along w/some trigger work) by a very well known and respected member of this forum, and I have to say that they make very nice shooters indeed! :emoticon:  I was told by this tuner that the post tune power numbers were in the upper 900's-low 1,000's...so, yes, it's definitely a magnum AG!

As far as the China/Turkey production debate goes, I was told (by a Daisy rep) that when I purchased my China made 1000ws, they had just recently switched production over from Turkey to China. I was told that they moved (the Daisy models) production over to China due to quality issues w/the Turkish manufacturer. IDK...

[ezman604]

I've had my PL1KS for several years and it's a Hatsan. My Winchester 1K WS is also a Hatsan. So, I would think the originals were Turkish andthe recent production run is Chinese. And both of mine, after a home tune/lube, are putting out in the 16fpe range and are nail drivers with CPHP and CP Ultra Mags. Both in .177 cal.

Dave

[Gene_SC]

I have recently tuned a Powerline 1000WS and it was made in China.

[airgunhead]

124 sporter, What pellets were you using to cut a ragged one hole group in your Chinee pl1k? I'd like to try them in mine.

[kiwi]

124 sporter - 12/14/2009  11:45 AM

Alright, just wanted to update the thread after I finally had a chance to put this thing through it's paces. This isn't a full review or anything, but I just wanted to kinda' touch on some highlights, or lowlights, as the case may be w/the gun right out of the box. The gun is very solid (i.e. heavy) and I'm guessing it weighs in the neighborhood of 8-9lbs. unscoped. (The 6.6lbs. listed in the specs. must be for the synthetic stock version 'cuz this sucker is heavy!) Overall, the stock and checkering are decent although it has a strange finish that almost has a plastic-like appearance to it...but not unpleasant once you get used to it. The blueing is just fair...being lighter and not as even as some of my other AG's. The open sights are adequate, but I almost immediately installed the 3X7 scope that it came with, and yanked the open sights off-as I prefer that look.  :emoticon:

Now, the cocking & loading process... The barrel opens w/a sharp snap of your palm (lock up is tight and to be expected on a new springer), and it requires a fair amount of force to fully cock it which again is to be expected of a gun of this size and reported power. The cocking cycle also gets a bit gritty towards the bottom of the stroke. As previously mentioned I was absolutely unable to even load a pellet before I chamfered the breech slightly-this was a bit concerning although I believe that I even had to do this on my BSA Lightning.

Trigger and firing next... The single stage trigger I believe is spec'd as having a 9lb. pull, and it's every bit of that w/alot of travel before the pellet is finally on it's way. (This is one area where I feel that there is definitely room for improvement, and it makes it impossible to really consider this thing for any type of serious paper punching/hunting until something is done in this area.) When the gun finally fires there isn't hardly any 'twang' (surprisingly) or twist to it at all...it just gives a you a fair jolt rearward, and the report is about avg. for a gun of this power. Now, as far as the power, I don't actually have a chrony but I can tell you that it stacks right up there w/my other magnum springers. I believe I mentioned earlier that I fired it into the same phone book w/a couple of my other magnums and it penetrated about half way through a pretty good size phone book. I did also fire it at some targets in my basement at a range of about 10yds., and despite the crummy trigger, was still able to pretty much shoot ragged one-hole groups...so the potential is there!:)

So, that's my story, and I'm stickin' to it! I'll let you all decide for yourselves how this Chinese version stacks up against the Hatsan version...and other springers. Keep in mind that I did only pay about $80 for it, and I believe (as w/most AG) that w/a little luv it could probably be made into a nice little (I mean big) field hunting rig which was my primary reason for buying it.

Cheers!!   :emoticon:

That gun never came out of the Hatsan factory...
totaly diffrent to any model Hatsan old  or new...

and the trigger unit is a copy of no Hatsan trigger i know of..

shes Chinese I would say..

[Gene_SC]

Like I said Stan, I was pleasantly surprised at the build and shooting cycle of your 1000WS... The trigger was a snap to work on as well. I think you mentioned that the trigger was much nicer after you got her back. I did a modest cleanup and adjustment on the trigger and was impressed again with it's simplicity. Just an all aroundgood gun IMO.

[ezman604]

Speaking of PL1KWS, check this out. Deal...[/b][/i]

I'll post it in the Bargain Gate too...

Happy Shooting and shopping!!!!

Dave

[airgunhead]

Does anybody know what glue works on the black plastic of the front sight of these things? I hurt mine and the red insert can fall out. I saw this type of stuff before and I have no glue around that sticks to it. Either tell me what type of glue to use or if you would part with your old sight if you took it off. Thanks

[124 sporter]

JSB Exacts and CPH's seemed to be equally accurate, and the Predators were right up there as well. This was also after some trigger work which made a huge difference in the consistency of the rifle as well.

[124 sporter]

Gene_SC - 4/9/2010  4:33 AM

Like I said Stan, I was pleasantly surprised at the build and shooting cycle of your 1000WS...:)  The trigger was a snap to work on as well. I think you mentioned that the trigger was much nicer after you got her back. I did a modest cleanup and adjustment on the trigger and was impressed again with it's simplicity. Just an all around good gun IMO.

Yup, the trigger was definitely 100% better when I got her back from you buddy!  I would have almost classified it as unshootable w/about a 7-9lb. pull prior to you 'doing what you do'...this thing (and me) thank you for the much improved trigger action!

[Gene_SC]

Stan, I was impressed to say the least.. I remember calling you about your gun... Great build for a Chinese Gun.. I feel sorry for those guys who buy those Turkish guns... They may shoot hard but there is more to a springer than just shooting hard...

[Gene_SC]

Sorry Dave, I will pray for you...